Phyllis Bide Chlorotic?
Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
11 years ago
Hello. This is Phyllis Bide. She is looking a bit "limey"...The other PB I have has much different darker foliage.
Is Phyllis chlorotic? What is the best remedy for her?
Thanks!
Susan
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jacqueline9CA
11 years agoCan you plant her in the ground? She is a large rose (see pic), and may no longer be happy in that pot.
Jackie
Poorbutroserich Susan Nashville
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Comments (8)Phyllis Bide will be unmanageable in that space after three years unless you prune it very carefully each winter. It is essentially a once-bloomer, with an unbelievable spring flush. The color is really good in my cool climate, but in the warmer zone, it may change very quickly. I wouldn't dream of growing it in a 5 x 5 space because I don't want to work that hard. Vintage grows it as a very controlled espalier maybe 6 x 6. They often sell sweet little two year plants wrapped on a bamboo stake. Ha! Here is Phyllis blooming the second spring: http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/PhyllisBideMay01.jpg The third spring: http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/PhyllisB28May02.jpg The fourth spring: http://www.rosefog.us/imagesJtoZ/Phyllis.jpg You have just witnessed a case study of a rose much too large for its support, a 6.5 foot pillar. The whole extravaganza was toppled in a gale. Naturally I've replanted Phyllis Bide, on exactly the same foolish structure but with a better base. I will be more systematic about reducing the size of canes. It's a real show stopper. Here is a link that might be useful:...See Morebest hose end apparatus for foliar feeding
Comments (6)Hi Susan: Phyllis Bide is a cross of Perle d'Or and Gloire de Dijon. Gloire de Dijon is a Noisette. Noisette class includes Albas like Felicite Parmentier, and roses begin with "Belle". The Noisette, including Albas prefer acidic soil. Phyllis Bide grows well for Tammy in Tennessee with acidic red clay ... It's best if you test the pH of your clay soil first using the procedure below that I wrote for the English Roses Forum. If your soil is alkaline, even if you mix sulfur in, it won't take effect until 1 year later. I don't recommend sulfur since it kills earthworm. Even with acidic pine fines in, its pH lowering takes a long time. I would buy a bag of ALREADY acidic garden soil made for acid-plants and put that into the ground for Phyllis Bide. If you want Phyllis Bide to green up fast, use blood meal (with chelated iron). Caution: too much nitrogen will stop Phyillis Bide from blooming, so it's not worth it. Why did Phyllis Bide turn chlorotic in your pot? Let's consider: 1) Moisture Control potting soil: dense & wet stuff, less oxygen than the fluffy composted pine potting soil 2) Mills Magic Mix: Main ingredient is alfalfa meal. Alfalfa meal is document by BOTH University Extensions to cause chlorosis in marigolds and vegetable seedlings. It's a fine particle so it gunks up on top, blocking airflow from above. When plants are suffocated, they turn yellow. Alfalfa meal did that to ALL my pots. Worst, the pH of alfalfa meal is acidic at 6, perfect for fungal germination. I get black spot with roses in pots topped with alfalfa meal. Alfalfa meal NPK is 2-1-2, very little nutrients compared to sulfate of potash NPK of 0-0-50 (very high potassium). University of Mass. Extension documented most blooms, and biggest blooms with high potassium fertilizer, compared to smallest blooms, and less bloom with alfalfa pellets. I still feel bad about the Boston Marathon bombing, with a 5-year old girl lost her legs.... life is full of pain, pray & love is the best we can do. As to where to test your soil pH? Get 3 samples: one from the pot (to see what's applied changed the pH). One from AWAY from roses. One from deep at the bottom of the hole. Why? the top surface can be acidic thanks to alfalfa meal, but the bottom of the hole, where the roots are, can still be alkaline. Use baking soda as the standard for alkalinity. If you can collect rain water, that's great. pH of rain water is 5.7 or lower. I would buy distilled water, pH of 7, then use 2 cups to boil red cabbage .... turned purple. I also boiled red cabbage in my own well water, pH 8 .... turned blue. Also boiled red cabbage in rain water ... that's pinkish violet. Use hot cabbage juice boiled in distilled water to test 3 samples of soil from your garden (plus a sample of baking soda, another of a slightly acidic material). Compare those with the below: 1) red cabbage boiled in distilled water alone (pH 7) 2) cabbage boiled in your tap water (neutral to alkaline) 3) cabbage boiled in rain water (acidic) Some municipal water-treatment put hydrated lime into their water so pipes won't corrode. Here is a link that might be useful: Cheapest way to test soil pH using red cabbage This post was edited by Strawberryhill on Tue, Apr 16, 13 at 11:15...See MoreMeg, Narrow Water or Phyllis Bide?
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