Container Roses for San Diego novice

kstrong

12 years ago

Her climate will be like mine here in San Juan Capistrano -- cool, foggy and damp most of the time. We are in mildew heaven, and get a good share of rust also. I put together a no spray/no mildew list for someone else near here a while back, so here it is:

Hybrid Tea/Grandifloras:
Cherry Parfait (red/white)
Frivolous Pink (pink/yellow)
Lasting Love (red)
Honey Dijon (gold)
Stephen Rulo (lavender/brown)

Floribundas:
Julia Child (yellow)
Shockwave (brightest yellow)
White Licorice (light yellow)
Lovestruck (pink speckled)
Gebruder Grimm (brightest orange)
Kimberlina (pink)
Perfume Tiger (yellow/pink stripe)
Hot Cocoa (russet)

Shrubs:
Darlow's Enigma (white fragrant hybrid musk)
Dragon's Blood (dark red big shrub)
Red Ribbons (red groundcover)
My Stars (thornless dark pink)
Rural England (reblooming pink rambler)
Route 66 (purple)
Mme. Plantier (white once blooming alba)

Climbers:
Berries n Cream (pink/white stripe)
Candy Land (pink/yellow stripe)
Fourth of July (red/white stripe)
Rhapsody in Blue (it's a climber for me -- purple)
Blaze of Glory (brightest orange/red)

Mini's:
Irene Marie (yellow with red picotee)
Swedish Doll (orange/red)
Sequoia Twist (orange/yellow stripe)
Gourmet Popcorn (white polyantha-like shrub)
Gingerbread Man (dark yellow)
Gizmo (orange single)
Hurdy Gurdy (red/white striped mini climber)
Glamour Girl (white, red picotee edges)

Playboy will rust if you don't spray it, Just Joey won't bloom in a container very well and will also mildew, and I know nothing about Tineke. And Coronado is going to be especially prone to mildew, so you need to pay attention to get roses that are not susceptible to it at all, if she's not going to spray. If it will mildew anywhere, it will mildew in Coronado (and in San Juan Capistrano).

Kathy

jerijen

12 years ago

She might get away with 'Secret,' which I found to be a good bloomer in a coastal climate, and immune to mildew and rust.

It's also a modestly-sized plant, for an HT, which should be helpful in a container situation.

The Container should be as large as possible, with no "saucer," and good drainage will be vital. Be sure the container has ample drainage holes, and is elevated either on "pot-feet" or 3 bricks.

I agree with Kathy -- we grew Playboy long ago, and it was a real rust-bucket, when not sprayed religiously. But I could suggest the bright yellow Polyantha, 'Polly Sunshine,' a Ralph Moore rose which will bloom like the dickens in a coastal climate, and is clean as a whistle.

Jeri -- Coastal Ventura County, SoCal

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kstrong

12 years ago

Hmmmm, I got rid of Secret BECAUSE I couldn't keep the mildew off of it, and I spray heavily and regularly. And I got rid of Frau Karl Druschki for the same problem -- I couldn't find anything to spray them with that would keep them clean, no matter how often.

I haven't found a large flower pure white rose that doesn't mildew here. Things like Gourmet Popcorn and Darlow's Enigma are fine, but I've actually been trying to find a hybrid tea or florrie that was pure white and not a mildew magnet. The closest I've come if good ol Honor.

jerijen

12 years ago

Funny -- Despite being BADLY virused, Secret was one of the last HTs we removed, simply because here in our foggy springs and summers, it was disease-free, and bloomed a lot.

I liked that it had that bicolor effect, like Double Delight, but did NOT mildew for us, unlike DD.

I will say, though, if it concerns one, that we had at one point three different plants from three different growers, and they were ALL badly virused. What a pity to do that to a nice rose.

Jeri

gardenwerks

12 years ago

I am in Coastal San Diego. For a White containerized rose I'd go with French Lace. It is also shade tolerant. Not prone to mildew either. Jeri, how does Guy de Maupassant perform for you? A good shape? Does it ball up?

Thanks!

blendguy

12 years ago

I grew Guy in San Clemente, and wouldn't recommend it. It did ball, but it was really awful for rust. It's pretty when it's healthy, but most of the time it wasn't. Of the Romanticas I grew, the only one I would recommend is Yves Piaget.

gardenwerks

12 years ago

Yes, she is close nearby..... Ah well, thanks blendguy. We do get some heat but we are in the mildew zone. I'm afraid for Sharifa Asma as well...

jerijen

12 years ago

We've not grown Guy de Maupassant.

The only Romantica we've grown was Yves Piaget, and the reason it left us was that in the three years it was with us, we never saw a bloom open. I KNOW what it's supposed to look like -- it just never did that here, and was removed.

Gardenwerks, Sharifa Asma opened well, and at least SOME of the time, the foliage was almost OK. But it was never truly "clean" here, and so despite its many other terrific qualities, it, too, is gone.

We not un-commonly see some mildew here on IMMATURE Tea Roses.

Most of them mildew a bit less with every passing year, and quit mildewing entirely, when they're 4 or so years mature. Anything that persists in mildewing just isn't needed here -- which is one reason we also no longer grow 'Mme. Alfred Carriere,' 'Duchess de Brabant,' and 'Mrs. Dudley Cross,' as lovely as they are.

Jeri

gardenwerks

12 years ago

Thanks Jeri! BTW, I tried to find old photos from some of your previous postings but I guess they fall off the site after a while? I have been buying Antique and/or Austin roses recently along with HT's.... I've purchased Peggy Martin, Maggie, Montillier and some others which are new to me so I'll let you know how they do. Yves Piaget has done well for us previously. I'm on the Bay side of the Point Loma Hill so we don't get the full brunt of marine layer.

jerijen

12 years ago

You might want to find out what pH you're dealing with.

OUR water and soil are highly alkaline. Moreover, there's a nasty salinity problem. Many of the old Teas and Chinas handle all this well, but some other roses don't.

Maggie was no more successful here than any other Bourbon. (The only "Bourbon" [so called] that succeeds here is "Ragged Robin" ['Gloire des Rosomanes'] which really acts more like a Giant China than a Bourbon.) I really wanted "Maggie" to do well here, because it was my Grandmother's name, and is my Niece's name. But, no dice. 'Mons. Tillier' should succeed for you wonderfully, and I suggest you check out 'Rosette Delizy' (Antique Rose Emporium clone). There are others, but those will do to start out with.
If you have room for a couple of large, ever-blooming plants, I can't say enough good things about 'Louis Phillipe,' and 'Mutabilis.'
And your garden should not be without "Grandmother's Hat."

Jeri

gardenwerks

12 years ago

Jeri,
I'll definitely yank Maggie if she doesn't perform. I'm very curious about Peggy Martin. Hope she's not all hype!
Mutabilis is my favorite rose!
We're trying Perle de Or, Baronne Prevost, and Archduke Joseph. I'll let you know in a few months and later in a few years how they do. I have trepidation about Guy de M b/ c Eden though a prolific bloomer has a tendency to ball most of the time where we are. Others just 10 miles inland have no problem with Eden opening. Oddly I have a better time at the coast with Red Eden. Hmm...... Thanks for the tips.

jerijen

12 years ago

Peggy Martin is a beauty. She doesn't seem to tolerate really alkaline conditions well, however -- or at least, she didn't seem to like our alkaline-saline water and soil. But your conditions might favor her.

But if you don't try, you'll never know -- so go for it.

Jeri

barbarag_happy
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12 years ago

Thanks for the recommendations. No doubt her humidity is very high-- she's actually on Coronado Island. Any other easy container roses for her? Maybe newer Kordes roses which should be more resistant?

gardenwerks

12 years ago

Sadly, we have dampness rather than humidity except for a week in an odd summer. Usually there is a nice breeze anywhere very close to the ocean in Coronado and otherwise usually wonderful for most gardening pursuits. Carpet roses are usually tough and bloom just about all the time- good in a container.

blendguy

12 years ago

gardenwerks, as an aside...

I used to live in Golden Hill, and I'd often take my dogs over to "Dog Beach" in Coronado. Such great memories! I used to love to drive around Coronado looking at all of the wonderful houses and gardens, what a lovely place to live. I would have thought you'd have a lot of options for growing roses.

cheers,
robert

leezen4u

12 years ago

I live farther north in Palos Verdes (next to Redondo Beach) with similar marine conditions. I've grown without any mildew problems:

Mellow Yellow - Hybrid Tea (grown in a pot even though it is a big rose)
Sunsprite - Floribunda (grown in the ground)
Gemini - Hybrid Tea (in the ground - not sure how it would do in a pot - it is somewhat big; awesome rose for cutting)
Honey Bouquet - Floribunda (very clean, lots of flowers, but this was in the ground)
Sexy Rexy - Floribunda (blooms in huge flushes, also in the ground)
Trumpeter - Floribunda (grown in a pot, it is a relatively small rose)
Gourmet Popcorn (never out of bloom and tough as nails)

I have not personally grown these roses. At the South Coast Botanic Gardens here in Palos Verdes the healthiest disease free roses I've consistently seen during multiple visits throughout the year were:

Midas Touch (small hybrid tea)
Mardi Gras (floribunda) - lots of flowers
Sun Flare (floribunda)
Passionate Kisses (floribunda)
Molineux (David Austin English shrub)

The following got some mildew in my garden but baking soda and canola oil spray minimized it:

Mr. Lincoln
Double Delight
Iceberg (tree rose in a pot)

Cheri Parfait for me was a rust magnet. No matter what I tried it got rust. After seeing the board comments some have experienced this problem and some have not. Most likely the garden centers do not pay much attention to their sources as long as they are cheap....

You might consider one of the roses mentioned here grown as a tree. Tree roses grown in pots are really beautiful. I like the fact that people can walk over and smell it without having to bend down.

Hope you find the perfect gift!

Lee

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