Growing tomatoes in San Diego over the summer (starting late June)
reshmaji
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7 years agoJXBrown (Sunset 24, N San Diego County)
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Comments (15)Poway (zone 21) and Ramona (zone 20) are both inland and will be hotter in the summer and colder in the winter than near the coast. The ground won't freeze, but this past winter we had the coldest weather in 70 years and many areas got down to 15 degrees for several nights in a row - it was a disaster for many tender plants, and local nurseries and wholesale growers lost millions of dollars. However, this is highly unusual. Soil vary dramatically from area to area, even within the same piece of property, so once you buy your new place you'll need to study what you have. We had rain yesterday - for the first time in months! Here in Vista we got 2.7" of rain in one day - bringing our total rainfall since Jan. 1st to a whopping 7". Many parts of the county have had far less rain. My plants are looking sooooooo happy today, with their leaves washed off and their stems all plumped up. Plants from all parts of the globe with a Mediterranean climate do great here, so you can easily grow plants from the Mediterranean basin, South Africa (including a vast array of effortless bulbs like watsonia, babiana, freesia, etc.), coastal Chile, much of Australia and New Zealand. You're going to have too much fun! I've got plants from all over the world in my garden, and I've grouped them according to their watering needs. Mine is a low-water garden throughout (except for one very small area), and we'll soon start planting trees which will be watered with "gray water" from our laundry, showers and bathroom sinks. There's some interesting new articles and books lately about water harvesting, ways to save/store the rainwater that might otherwise go down the drain. You might want to think about that when you plan your new garden. One downside to Ramona - it can be a long drive to downtown San Diego. Poway is next to a major highway and easier to get to/from. Ramona sometimes gets some snow in the winter, tho not enough to use a shovel for, I don't think. *grin*...See MoreHave to start all over -is it too late?
Comments (8)OkieDokieArtichokie, It is never too late to start over, but I agree with Dorothy that at this point it makes more sense to buy a few transplants and put them into the ground.Choose varieties with DTMs in the 55-75/80 day range and if you put them in the ground soon, you still could be harvesting tomatoes in June or July. Since we have had such cold weather recurring every week, I imagine the stores have a good supply of tomatoes for all those customers who have had their tomatoes frozen, frosted or snowed upon. If you sow tomato seeds now, putting them in the ground in the next two or three days, they likely won't sprout for 5-10 days, depending on how warm your soil temperatures are. So, let's say they sprout by May 5th. They likely wouldn't be big enough to start blooming, even if everything went well and the plants had no setbacks whatsoever, until mid-June. Most years, the kinds of temperatures (daytime highs roughly above 90-92 degrees and nighttime lows roughly around 72-75 degrees) that shut down good fruit set arrive around late June through mid-July depending on where you are in the state (and sometimes as early as May, especially in SW OK) so you don't get many fruit forming during that time, except during an occasional colder, rainy day or on cherry tomato plants. So, you wouldn't harvest many, if any, tomatoes until fall. That would drive me up the wall...having to wait so long when everyone around me was harvesting tomatoes in June or July. With peppers, if you direct sow hot peppers now, you might be harvesting by July or August. Much would depend on the varieties and their DTMs, as well as how quickly or slowly the peppers germinated. Peppers need really warm soil to germinate and we still are having enough cold nights to keep the soils a little cool. Sweet peppers are a little less likely to set fruit well in hot weather. so either from seed or transplant, you could be harvesting sweet peppers sometime in the summer, but maybe not until fall. It depends on how hot it gets and on how early it gets hot. Just because it is mild right now doesn't mean it won't be 100 degrees in May....or 90 degrees this weekend or next week. Our weather is very erratic. In the future, when you are hardening off plants, if they start looking bad, immediately stop the hardening off process and keep the plants either indoors or in full shade until new growth comes out above the damaged part. Then, you start the hardening off process all over again at 1 hour the first day, 2 hours the second day, etc. Any time the hardening off process is interrupted, like if cold weather causes you to keep the plants indoors for more than 24 hours, it is best to start over at square one/one hour per day again. Tomato and pepper plants lose their hardening-off real fast if you have to move them back indoors during a cold spell. Once damage occurs, more sunlight just tends to intensify the damage if you keep putting the plants outside before they can heal. Would I pop seeds into the ground today? Only if it was my only option. Transplants would be 1000% better at this point. One problem is that the weather models are showing very cold weather late next week. If the models verify, you could have tiny seedlings popping their heads up out of the ground just in time for a freeze or frost to get them late next week...if they germinated that quickly, and sometimes fresh seeds germinate in just a day or two or three if the soil temps are in the right range. Brandywine has superb flavor, and if it produced well at all in our climate, I could be happy growing nothing but Brandywine. It has the best flavor of any tomato I've ever tasted. Unfortunately, it produces very few fruit per plant most years here. I have had one great Brandywine year here, and I think it was in 2002. Most other years, I considered myself lucky to get maybe 6 fruit total off a Brandywine plant. That's totally unacceptable when there are so many other varieties that produce tons of tomatoes. The only Brandywine I grow, when I grow it at all, is True Black Brandywine which has produced really well here most years that I've grown it, producing both early and in quantity. Instead of Brandywine I grow a Brandywine x Cherokee Purple cross named Gary O Sena that was developed and stabilized by Keith Mueller. It has superb flavor, produces early and produces many more fruit per plant than Brandywine does in our climate. Another option is a hybrid from Burpee called Brandy Boy. Its flavor isn't as good as Brandywine or Gary O Sena but it still is very, very good and Brandy Boy produces well in our heat. If I was getting a late start, Brandywine would be the last variety I'd plant because I'd know it wouldn't set fruit until very late summer or fall, and the fruit have a good chance of freezing before they ripen. For fall tomatoes, you want varieties with a relatively short DTM of maybe 55-75 or even 80 days. Brandywine in our climate is more of an 85-95 or 100 day DTM. It simply won't flower and set fruit in excessive heat and guess what kind of heat we tend to have all summer long? I don't know which part of the state you're in, but if you would mention at least your region...central OK, northeastern OK, etc., there might be somebody here on this forum who has extra plants they'd be willing to share. You certainly don't have to give your exact location or town or even county, but you might have a forum member in your general area that might have extra plants to share. A lot of us who grow our own tomato usually grow extras because the weather and the wildlife have so many ways of destroying our plants that it makes sense to raise extras. I'm planning to meet with a forum member on Sunday so I can give that person some of my extra plants as replacements for freeze-killed or frost-damaged ones. You might have someone near you who would be willing to do the same. Dawn...See Morecontainer tomatoes started in summer
Comments (12)I planted some from seed inside and some in the garden. It was recommended to plant from August 1st - 15th for a fall planting. Even so, not a single seed came up that was planted outside. Nearly all the seeds I planted indoors came up. I now have my plants in a shaded area outside to start hardening them off early and they're doing great. At least they were before I had to take them to my mom's house to 'sit' for me while I'm away here on vacation. I think it's just so hot here in Texas that for fall you really should start the plants indoors and slowly move them out to eventually the garden. As long as the high for the day is 95+ degrees, I will not have my poor tomato plants in the garden suffering. ~Angela...See MoreSan Diego Sunshine Poolbuild -- Thread 2
Comments (85)Hi Katherine, Your pool is gorgeous! I have no idea if you're still monitoring this, but I came across your post while searching for information about installing a fastlane in a niche for our pool installation. Our PB has never installed a fastlane before and they are unsure about how to cover it inside the niche. Do you have any information about how this was done with yours, and what the cost of the cover might have been? The niche and supports have been built in our pool, and the PB says they can have a stainless steel person create a cover for the niche, but they will charge us $1000 just for the cover. Seems a little high to us! Any information you can provide would be very helpful! We're REALLY far away though - in North Carolina! Hope you're still enjoying your beautiful pool....See MoreHumsi
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