my spring orders-any thoughts?

16 years ago

Anna de Diesbach-pink hp

Baby Faurax-mauve poly

Baroness Rothschild-pink hp

Barrone Prevost-pink hp

Charles de Mills-mauve gallica

James Bougault-white and pink hp

Mme. de la Roche-Lambert-mauve moss

Mousseux de Japon-mauve/dark pink moss

Adelaide d'Orleans-White Rambler

ArdoisÃ©e de Lyon-Mauve HP

Arthur de Sansal-Mauve Damask

Coquette des Blanches-White HP

Dana-yellow HM

Empereur du Maroc-red hp

Mme. A Labbey-pink hp

Orpheline de Juillet-mauve crimson gallica

Pompon de Bourgogne-pink blend centifolia

Robert Leopold-pink blend moss

Madame Lauriol de Barny-pink bourbon

Comtesse de Barbantane-pink bourbon

LÃ©da-white blend damask

Autumn Damask-pink damask

Alchymist-apricot climber

Variegata di Bologna-red blend bourbon

Arrillaga-pink hp

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oath5
16 years ago
That sounds like a wonderful lineup carriehelene. Lots of classics in there.

I have Leda, but I haven't seen her bloom, I can't wait till spring!
olga_6b
16 years ago
This is a killer list. I really LOVE all roses on your list. These are the roses that I would grow if only my climate would be not so BS promoting. I tried most of them in my garden and though I loved them, they didn't love me. Exception are gallicas, of course. They love me too :)
Olga
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melissa_thefarm
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Of those I've grown, a minority of your list, your choices are fine, except for Arthur de Sansal. My own root rose was puny and eventually died, which was an extremely rare event in my garden. It came from Heirloom Roses, so I don't think the source was the problem. I've heard from others it's fussy.

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rjlinva
16 years ago
I'm glad to hear that it may be that Arthur de Sansal is just a fussy rose and that it's not me. I'm trying most of the roses on your list, but most are way too young to comment on. We share similar tastes.

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carriehelene
Original Author
16 years ago
Oath, I'd love to see pics when your Leda blooms. She looks so pretty.

Olga, I have bs in my garden to, it doesn't bother me or the roses too much. They just drop their leaves and regrow new ones. There are only 3 roses in my garden that get totally covered. It doesn't bug me enough to SP them though.

Melissa, thank you for the warning about AdS, now if he struggles or dies, I will know it's not me.

Robert, I have noticed we have similar taste. I don't post alot, but I read almost every day. If I remember correctly, didn't you order alot of them from Sequioa? That's where alot of mine are coming from. I hate to see nurseries close, it's just sad. I wasn't going to order but a few this year, but when I found out they were closing, that changed the plan quickly.
carriehelene
Original Author
16 years ago
To whomever e-mailed me regarding this post-it went to my junk folder and I deleted it before I realized what it was. Could you e-mail me again? I'm very sorry about this.
rjlinva
16 years ago
Carrie,
I've not ordered from Sequoia. Most of my roses come from Ashdown, Chamblees, Roses Unlimited, Sherando Roses, Vintage, and Pickering. I have a few from Antique Rose Emporium and Hortico too. I've probably left off some vendors.

I think, at this time, I'm sampling a LOT of different roses to get a feel for what they'll do in my gardens. I still haven't SPd a rose because it doesn't please me.

Robert
carriehelene
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16 years ago
Oops, sorry Robert. I know somebody on here ordered from them, can't remember who now. If you haven't ordered from Sequoia, you should check them out. They are about the same size as Vintage, and they are $10.95 per rose, shipping is $1.00 per rose and handling is $7.00 per order. Everything I ordered from them last year grew quickly.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link to Sequoia
rjlinva
16 years ago
carrie, I hate you... I've got 70+oses coming this spring already, and you've made it too easy with that link..i'm off to sequoia.. robert

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carriehelene
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16 years ago
Robert, did anything capture your interest at the Sequoia site?
Spectrograph (NC 7b)
7 years ago
It's been eight years - if you're still around, I'd love to hear your results!

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