I grew Muriel Humenick and Secret Garden Noisette in the past, at houses I no longer own. Muriel was very fragrant but for me had very thin petals that didn't last long. However, it was close to an orange tree and some oleanders, definitely not a prime spot. I loved Secret Garden Noisette. It was almost everblooming, with slightly sticky, aromatic foliage. The blooms were very double, a bit like R. fortuneana. Lots of small thorns, but if you have the space for it there's probably not much reason to prune it often.

What a wonderful list of roses. In a year or two your garden should be spectacular.

Ingrid

Connie,
I think you are the only person I know that I could say could handle that long list of roses with complete confidence- Miss Energy personified, ...and highly organized too!
I have the Brownell Golden Glow so if it is not availbable or doesn't pan out you can take cuttings of mine.
Jim

Connie,

Wow you did have a Christmas today. BTW, I did too. My Golden Retriever passed away over Thanksgiving weekend. Today I got a new PUPPY!

The only rose on your list that I have is Thanks to Sue. It was new to me last year; it grew well, had good disease resistance, and I love the color and form of the flower.

Your light set up is wonderful, I am not sure where you find the energy to do so much with a toddler in the house. It makes me tired just reading some of your posts.

I would be up for another road trip to Richmond, of course we would have to stop off by the Smoky Pig on the way home. I want to see the results of all the work you have put into your showpiece of a home and garden. Not to mention a visit with Robert and Jim and Stephanie and any other rose grower between my house and Richmond.

Kathy

PS to Jim: The Heidelberg and Petite Pink Scotch cuttings I got from you at Connie's are still holding their own.

Those little Seqouoia plants grew very quickly for me. I'd put them in gallons--they were the size of big old Roses Unlimited plants in two months! I have three on your list. Gruss en Coburg is the strongest smelling, delicious, grows quickly and blooms continuously. Gita's was 9 feet tall(of Vintage Gardens). Gruss en Teplitz is a lovely thing that moved to a dryer climate as she got a lot of pm at my house-lots of fragrant red blooms. Grandmother's Hat is low care, high production, good smelling. I loved their roses, the minimal packing, the tiny things that grew so quickly. Mr. Moore told me his propagator could root a bowling ball!
la

Connie, unless something has changed, your Secret Garden Noisette is actually Secret Garden Musk Climber. They had it listed wrong on the web site. Wonderful rose none the less. The only rose on your list that I currently have is Guss an Coburg. It is as LA describes.

Love your rooting set up. You obviously have it down to an art.

Carol

Carol, I'm so glad you mentioned the mistaken identity of the Secret Garden Noisette. I was just about to order this rose again because I loved it so much when I had it before. I don't know why it's not offered anywhere, it's a great rose, and in my humble opinion prettier than Secret Garden Musk Climber, which is praised lavishly by everyone (however, I haven't seen the latter in person, but in photos the flowers look insignificant to me).

Ingrid

I found out they don't have Secret Garden Noisette it is Secret Garden Musk Climber...I was disappointed. Although SGM is supposed to be a wonderful rose...
I just got a few, Earthquake, Twister, Love and Peace and Secret Garden....
they sent me another rose since their list did say it was SGN and not the Musk...
I really don't know any o the ones on your list.

Connie,

Congratulations on the roses! It's great for everyone when gardeners grow rare and unusual roses, helping keep them going for other gardens and gardeners.

I'm impressed and intrigued by your rooting setup! I root my cuttings outdoors, as we have generally mild winters, but I know I need to work out a better system. Yours looks wonderful.

Have fun with your roses!

Melissa

It's not Secret Garden Noisette?! I already have SGMC, so I ordered two SGNs to have an extra one for insurance. Rats! I almost hesitate to ask . . . anyone willing to share cuttings of their SGN later in the year?

Kathy, it sounds like we have to plan a Road Trip!! (congrats on the new puppy,)

Don't have the room to put the babies in gallons right now. The temperature in the garage is pretty cold (between 40 and 45 degrees), so the idea is to hold them until it's warmer outside THEN I can put them into larger pots and let them do their thing till I get them in the ground.

This is the first year that I've taken propagation at all seriously. Up until now, I'd played at it and had almost no success. I did some research, talked to some rose friends, tried a few things and (ta dah) roses with roots. I have friends who have good success rooting their roses outside. I feel the need to mess with things, so inside the cool basement fits my personality a lot better.

I really look forward to growing these roses. Some of them were mentioned in early Rose Annuals, and they're almost unheard of today. I think this is the best part of having a collector's garden -- putting roses like this into my modern landscape, and sharing them with people so they don't disappear.

Connie

My order arrived from them yesterday as well. I only ordered two "La France," though, since Paul said they carry the same clone as Uncommonrose did.

And earlier this month I received my previous order from Rogue Valley: Eugène de Beauharnais and Marie Pavie.

So many roses, so little time (and money!)

I, too, can't wait until spring!

Dear Connie,
Love your setups; like those big low plastic bins for holding all the pots; with Sherando Roses closing this spring, we need a rose nursery in the area....hint, hint!!!

Nope..the list was wrong, it is the SGMC they have, I was bummed too...they will give you a another rose, (or in your case, 2 of them...they did for me....
If you find someone with cuttings, I would like some too. I have gotten pretty good at propagating too.

Connie----I am amazed (at the number of roses)and happy for you. You sure must have a lot of energy.---due to recent surgery and complications I will not be ordering any new roses so I will have a good time just watching you grow all these very valuable roses.

Great system you have for propagating.

good Luck with all the new ones.

Anxiously waiting for spring and your new garden.

Florence

Connie, I love your setup - thanks for sharing! Just got my 2nd Sequoia order in yesterday: Twilight Skies, Cineraire, Dancing Doll, El Dorado, Silk Hat, Taischa, Cl. Yellow Sweetheart, Phyliss Shackelford, The Colwyn Rose and Cl. Baby Darling. Anyone grow any of these? Wanted to get some of the ones that no one else sells. They are dormant but very healthy, got most planted, keep them in a warm garage and open the door to the sunlight during the day.
Judith

Wow, what a neat setup for growing cuttings. It looks very organized.

Wow Connie! You have some setup going, that's impressive.
I'll comment on the ones I know about. I grew Vintage Visalia in the mtns but it never got taller than 4 feet up there with a 3 month growing season and the deer kept eating on it. It was the only large rose I had that last the 13 years were there, through all the snows I did no winter protection either. I've seen the rose bush at the nursery, it's huge, it stands about 8' tall or so. I don't care what HMF says, when I went down there to get another for this house and saw how large that rose gets I decided I wouldn't have the room for that one after all, LOL*

Sequoia Ballet is another I wanted to get and was dissuaded from doing so last spring as a new rose. It had a great growing season even with our weeks of 100's and the rose bush they grow the cuttings off of is gorgeous and easily 5'tall and it was still immature. I got one in Oct after the manager admitted then it's a terrific rose, she was very impressed by how vigorously it grew even in the heat. In two months of growth this rose ended Dec 17"Tx19"Wide.

Thanks To Sue is slow growing for me, I had it in a bad place the first fall and it was one of the last I transplanted last spring. I have it in full sun now and in cooler weather the roses are more an apricot and hotter weather they're yellow. It has unusual growing shape and leaves and as the plant matures then it holds the blooms up better. The foliage is very pretty on this rose. I ended the first full year with the rose at 18"Tx40"Wide.
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I was looking to replace two roses in front of my dining room in back of my other minis and I love the Hybrid Bracteatas, I asked and the manager reaffirmed that Precious Dream and Out Of The Night will both be excellent roses. The latter had 4 fat buds that tried blooming end of Dec but it was just too cold by then and the roses aren't very nice looking. Tells me though this will be another of my roses that should go all the way through on milder years. These should be in the neighborhood of between 2 and 3' tall depending on your season. I planted them also in Oct.
Not a whole lot of info but a little more for you.
Leslie

Hi Alameda,
Twilight Skies is a great rose, sails right through heat and the cold. Roses don't brown out in the heat, keep it deadheaded and this bush will always have some roses to all in bloom. Mine at 14 months old was: 30"Tx47"Wide. This rose bloomed all the way end of Mar through Nov. with some scattered blooms in Dec.
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My understanding of Climbing Baby Darling is that you can believe the pic at HMF of the rose on the trellis. If I remember right, that's a rose planted on each side though meeting at the top and maybe on over.
Leslie

Good stuff, everyone. Note to self . . . leave lots of room for Vintage Visalia and Sequoia Ballet. I bought Thanks to Sue strictly for the name, because of a neighbor -- thinking now that I may put it in a pot. I don't have any hybrid bracteatas in the garden yet, but I loved the look and description of them. I ordered all they had -- some had already sold out by the time they pulled my order.

Since Sequoia will replace the SGMCs with something else, I guess I should take a second look at the site in the next few days to make sure there's nothing else there that I can't live without.

I had hoped that you'd like to see where my little roses are spending the winter. It's such an exercise in reuse and recycling. Notice that the older cuttings are in milk jugs with soda bottles for tops. The rack they're on is an old bakers rack from Ikea. Cheap shop lights with daylight bulbs on a Christmas-light timer, under-bed storage boxes, recycled 6-pack pots in the rooting tubs because I ran out of milk jugs and the room to hold them . . . I thought maybe I could pass along a few of the tricks I've learned and some stuff I've figured out that works for me.

Connie

P.S. Florence, I'm very glad you finally have an answer to your pain. I wish you the speediest recovery -- I hope you are feeling better before it's time to be in the garden.

Renae is a big huge climber. Blooms all of the time, even as a baby. The one I planted last year grew up and over the arbor in less than 1 season! It's going to be a monster. Most of my climbers don't bloom a lot, so I especially like Renae.Plus the canes are really bendy which is great for climbers.
Mme Berard has thick unbendable canes (at least she does here - I've heard differently from California) but even though the canes aren't bendy this is one rose that is definitely a climber. It throws big huge long canes in every direction. It's my favorite rose of all, though, for the delicious tea scent (best of all teas, hands down), and the complex coloring (apricot, pink, tan).
I always wanted Victoriana. I tried to order it from them years ago but I think it wasn't available. Your order is making me jealous. I'd love to order, but since we are going to move it just wouldn't make any sense to get more roses!
Augustine Guinoisseau and Gruss an Coburg are deliciously scented but I can't tell you much more about them because they are babies in pots at my house.

I placed an order from Vintage yesterday and in the noisette section to my delight found Secret Garden Noisette. It's described as having very double flowers and it was also mentioned that it was found along with Secret Garden Musk Climber so I'm convinced of its identity. I ordered two!

Ingrid