American Persimmon Varieties to choose
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10 years agoTony
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What are your favorite American persimmon cultivars? (taste-wise)
Comments (26)I tried Prok this season from a friends orchard and I wasn't impressed by the flavor as it lacked over all character and sweetness. However the texture was nice compared to some of the other american persimmons i've tried, as well as the size. It was definitely more firm than others. I have heard from some sources that Prok has some asian in it, but I don't know if this is true. Here is a picture of one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25212487@N04/6224647515/in/photostream I also tried a claypool selection from another friends farm and again, compared to some of the other persimmons I've tried(which I'll explain next), it lacked over all flavor complexity. However it was sweeter than Prok. Here is a picture of that...unfortunately I don't remember the cultivar name, probably because it consisted of a few numbers and was easy to forget. Anyways, it was a claypool selection: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25212487@N04/6271281968/in/photostream My best american persimmon experiences were all at Oikos Tree Crops in southwest, MI where I spent several months examining the american persimmons trees planted there. All of which are seedlings from good selections, i.e. yates, morris burton, etc. Ken Asmus has wonderful seedling planting with over 500 mature trees. There is incredible variation in fruit size, color, texture, flavor, and ripening time. Some don't even ripen in some years. We are working on developing a selection of cultivars from this planting that will be grafted and hopefully available in the nursery trade. These will be some of the northernmost american perisimmon selections, which is great for folks like me in MI where ripening can be a problem. One tree in particular was a seedling of Morris Burton and had AMAZINGLY delicious fruit with very high sugar content and a delectable flavor with butter scotchy notes..by far the sweetest I have ever tried. The flesh on this variety was a rich reddish color...very beautiful. Here is short video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iofe3u5pruY&list=UUsSu_6ip07ywsY37D35Cm8w&index=10&feature=plcp Out of the seedling population we also found a tree that produces blue skinned fruit. And not just a touch of blue but very blue! Here is a nice picture of it: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4083/5167939059_56e3a070e3_z.jpg If you're in Michigan or a similar climate where ripening can be an issue I would consider planting some seedlings from Oikos Tree Crops if you have the space. Sorry I don't have more info about specific cultivars, will have more to come. Cheers!...See MoreBest American Persimmon Cultivars
Comments (13)Which cultivars would be best to be able to take the hot (100ð+ F), dry August heat in Dallas, TX (8a) or just south of that (8b)? http://www.exotickerostliny.cz/en/katalog-rostlin-othermenu-95/tomely-othermenu-85/68-diospyros-virginiana.html "ThereâÂÂs only one condition persimmon ideal to our climate must fulfill - it has to have 90 chromosomes and originate in northern persimmon cultivation areas that have climate similar to Central European climate and microclimates. The second variant with 60 chromosomes is completely useless here, because it lacks the frost hardiness necessary to survive in our region and has too long vegetation period which would only mean that the fruit would never be able to ripen here and the persimmon tree will only hardly survive each winter." Does this perhaps imply that 90 chromosome varieties are cold-hardier and 60 chromosome varieties can take more heat? Because I need the type that can take more heat & drought... http://arnoldia.arboretum.harvard.edu/pdf/articles/1982-42-4-two-promising-fruit-plants-for-northern-landscapes.pdf "The second race (hexaploid with 90 chromosomes) is thought to represent a more recent evolutionary change. It predomi- nates in areas north and west of the southern Appalachians. This race, which may deserve a separate subspecies rank, is more vigorous, cold hardy, and drought tolerant than the first. D. kaki also has 90 chromosomes, and efforts have been made to obtain an interspecific hybrid." Or are the 90 chromosome type (or Oriental varieties) actually more drought and/or heat-tolerant? Also, a self-fertile type with a taller (vs low & spreading) habit would be nicer.. Here is a link that might be useful: Diospyros virginiana cultivars This post was edited by blakrab on Tue, Mar 25, 14 at 13:23...See MorePersimmon gurus! Questions re: American persimmons
Comments (3)I've seen some older virginiana growing on virginiana rootstock both in dense plantings and in wide open spaces and most were in the 20 - 30 foot range. These were all in the Northeast and perhaps under different conditions in different locations they would grow taller. In any case they can be pruned to a shorter height if desired. I've grafted virginiana to both kaki and lotus and they grow and fruit well on each. I would expect that a kaki rootstock would have some dwarfing effect on the tree, but with the risk of various problems down the road, I don't think it would be wise to recommend kaki over virginiana rootstock for this application. I believe texana has the same number of chromosomes as the southern virginianas, but I haven't heard of any hybrids between the two. Prok and Yates have an additional set of chromosomes, so they would be incompatible. These varieties don't appear to require any specific trigger to induce fruiting, so I would doubt that having no local wild virginiana would pose a cropping problem....See MoreCan American Persimmon be grafted onto Asian Persimmon tree?
Comments (2)Tony, thank you for the advice! I've read many of your posts on this forum, and your experience and talent are amazing! I have been browsing catalogs. Starks has Yates and Prok, and Burnt Ridge has some too. I might have room for one. They start very small. i sent Burnt Ridge an email about their scion. I have a feeling that will bear, before the small freestanding trees will bear. I grafted pollenizing varieties of plums onto self sterile ones, for better fruit production. I've thought about growing those seeds. So I could see that working like you describe for the Ukranian varieties. Seems like a clever method! Thank you again for the reply! Daniel...See Morestrudeldog_gw
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Meader, Keener and Belogorye.
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9 years agoAny guesses about this tree? Its "parent" was planted about 60-70 years ago, and this one was planted by the birds about 30 years ago. They are both about ~40 feet, and seem to have fruited much better since I began bee keeping - the fruit is much larger. I'm in Illinois, zone 5, and the first tree was planted by grandparents who were avid gardeners, cooks, and farmers.
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9 years agoThank you Tony! Very kind of you to answer. I attached a picture of the male (left) and female (right). I also have a picture of the seeds but can only post 1 pic at a time. There is a larger and better looking male a short distance from the ones in the pic and 2 more females. They are very old trees. My mother-in-law had told me they are sour and she didn't like them so I have been mowing over the fruit for years. The yard always smells like a brewery in the fall. After doing a little research I discovered why they made her "pucker". I began to wonder why our grand parents planted them so long ago and did some limited research. They aren't ripe yet but I picked some and placed them in my apple barrel to ripen. I'm looking forward to cooking with them but apparently I need to know a little more before I can choose which recipes, thus my quest for the persimmon info :)
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9 years agoAs I do not get a lot of time to read all I would Like when I do I find some very interesting commits and I am thankful We do have many persimmons available this year and others we are sold out of but this coming season we will have a large selection to choose from as we will have some many root stock that it will take the majority of the farm trees scion wood to graft all the root stock we will have . Many new and exciting cultivars will be introduced and some for the first time cultivars such as Kasandra , Sistroyonka = big sister and a few that are so large and hardy that you would swear they are Kaki
Last winter was a very hard one for us as the winter temps reach minus 23.4 Celsius or -11 degrees F and we lost 268 grafted Kaki trees there are some survivors like Korea Kaki, Inchon, Vaniglia, , CHinibel, Miss Kim, Shan Xi, Orest, and Chibacha that had not winter injury at all look forward to talking with all of you
Cliff England
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9 years agoShebekino that is some very nice looking fruit good size and pretty colour
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Persimmon "Wonderful" is very nice fruit, good size and beautiful color.
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