What is wrong with those states not under shelter-in-place?

What if they find out something new after the quarantine is over.

I keep hearing people talk about "when the quarantine is over", but no one knows when that will be.

What is wrong with those states not under shelter-in-place?

Covidiots

Wisconsin issued theirs on March 25

I don't think this is going to be over anytime soon. I keep having to remind myself to pull up my big girl pants and just accept what is now. I have cabin fever but I am going for 2-hour walks with my dogs to relieve the stress.

MN here--already reported but I have to say..why didn't States get on this Shelter in Place SOONER!! It is sooo disconcerting how many people still don't get it!!! The truth that 78% of us are deemed "essential" says there are still plenty of people out among others. Masks--surgical type--home made is another thing that could have and still can help us all....we are only as strong as our weakest link--and this virus REALLY proves that!!!

In Ohio, Gov. DeWine started with the schools first and then on March 15th, they closed all restaurants and bars, seems like forever ago! Shortly afterwards, they closed anything that's non-essential. The virus is still going strong even with all the closures. But, I think in the long run, it is helping because our number aren't going up so fast like other states. It is virtually a ghost town here with hardly anyone going anywhere. The grocery stores are very quiet compared to the old days. No problem staying a long distance away from others.

I wish they would man up and tell us all to put a cloth over our faces. I mean, everyone has some sort of bandana or cloth we could cut into a big square and fold in half to make a triangle and put over our mouths so that the virus would stay out of the air!

I'm in NY where the "stay at home" order was announced on Mar 13, along with closure of non-essential businesses, etc. Stats aren't being released regularly, but I know the county has at least 55 confirmed cases, 10 hospitalized, 1 death, and nearly 700 people in quarantine due to known exposure. Sadly, I am surrounded by neighbors who have interpreted this whole thing as "come and go to any family or friend's home". One particular neighbor has regularly had large groups of friends/family come to their house with all their little kids to run around the yard and play with each other while the adults gather together inside or out. No attempt at social distancing at all.

"When this is over..." Over will be a relative term. We won't go from SAH one day to business as usual the next. No one knows what the getting back to normal will look like and normal as we all think of it will be a long time coming. There will be funerals we can't attend even if we are oh so lucky and it's only for someone we know peripherally. Many businesses that we are familiar with will not survive this so the landscape of our towns will look different. There will of course be people able to grasp opportunities (don't want to think of them as opportunists in the negative way but there is that) and create new businesses from the ashes.

And oh by the way, Inslee just extended SAH till May 4th. I'll follow his lead here in NC.

From a friend living in the Caymans: We’re on almost complete lockdown, allowed out to shop only for essentials, only every other day. We also get an allotment for daily exercise (which they are also considering shifting to every other day). Enforcement is stringent. They have police patrolling on the street, in helicopters and boats.

PA schools closed on 3/13. After that Allegheny County phased in a shut-down of businesses from essential, to life-sustaining. Now the entire state is in life-sustaining operation. The dates are blurs to me. I just know that I filled my tank on 3/17 and yesterday when I drove to the vet I still had a full tank.

At the vet's they had me wait in my car and they came out to get my cat to give him his vaccines and flea and tick meds then brought him back and I paid on a hand-held card reader.

Workers at Lowe’s and Home Depot are begging people to not bring their whole families when they shop.

Vermont wants to close down the non essential goods area of places like Target and Walmart. Too many people who continue to browse the aisles.

Maddie, I wondered about that. What's to stop Macy's from selling bread at the entrance, and opening up the whole thing?

In a similar vein, hotels are deemed "essential businesses" here, which I thought odd. Then I realized some people may be stuck.

Costco will only allow two people in on one membership now.

Some states consider gun dealers and shooting ranges to be essential businesses. SMH

From my Twitter feed:

Having some states shelter in place while others are still free to roam is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.

Our county is trying its best to stop the governor’s declaration that religious services are exempt from the social distancing guidelines (including no more then 10 in one place). The governor signed an order saying his order overrules the county.

This just received.

“Hillsborough County, Fla. (April 3, 2020) - On Wednesday, April 1, Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an executive order stating that all persons in Florida shall limit their movements and personal actions outside of their home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or conduct essential activities. The order defined "attending religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship," as an essential activity without specific restrictions on social distancing.

Following direction set at a Hillsborough County Emergency Policy Group (EPG) meeting on Thursday, April 2, Hillsborough County's Joint Information Center (JIC) developed guidelines urging local religious leaders, and members of their congregations, to seek alternatives to large in-person gatherings, and when not able, to practice safe social distancing. The following guidelines are intended to help prevent the spread of the COVID-19 coronavirus.

Guidelines for Religious Services
Religious Services are considered an essential activity under the statewide Stay at Home Order issued by Florida's Governor that takes effect at 12:01 a.m. on Friday, April 3. While the Governor's order does not place any limitations on the number of people who can attend religious services or mandate social distancing, those attending in-person religious services are urged to follow the lifesaving advice from Centers for Disease Control.

Here are some guidelines:

• Houses of worship and religious services are essential to the fabric of every community in Hillsborough County. To promote the safety and well-being of all people, public health experts recommend that all large gatherings, including religious services, be conducted online or through other communication technology whenever possible until the threat of the COVID-19 coronavirus has passed.
• Those who choose to attend religious services in-person should follow the public health and safety guidelines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control. This includes providing at least 6 feet of space between attendees and avoiding gathering in groups larger than 10 people. By remaining at home whenever possible, and following the CDC guidelines, you can help stop the spread of the virus among your congregation, your friends, and your neighbors.
• Leave your home only when absolutely necessary, limit gatherings to 10 people, and provide 6 feet of space between individuals.”

Thank goodness we've been in lockdown for a few weeks already. But it's still spotty as to what that means...some towns have closed parks, some have closed trails, others have left trails open. I went to the store today and they've made aisles one-way to prevent people from stopping up an aisle, they have clear markings on the floor for waiting in line at a distance and they have large plexiglass shields up in between the cashier and the customer. The health food store actually had a guy on a stool counting customers as they came and went...kind of silly for them as I think there were more employees than customers in the store at that time.

While our state (AL) isn’t under official lockdown, everything is pretty much closed except for essential businesses. While the governor hasn’t seen fit to declare it, the Lieutenant Governor has been quite outspoken for it as has most of the media, and several state senators and representatives. And local governments, in major cities anyway, have been quick to either enact or at least encourage ‘stay home’ policies. For the most part, people have complied, but there are always fools who don’t. The latest is ‘one cart, one person’ in several stores, including Target, Walmart, and Aldi, maybe more.

It really should be nationwide. Sadly it will be a case of closing the barn door after the horse is out for those states that are waiting until they start seeing a rise in diagnosed cases - those states are led by fools IMO.

There should be no exemptions for religious institutions, either. Look what happened to the choir members in WA - they were trying to rehearse while trying to keep space between themselves, and hand sanitizing.

In Massachusetts we have a “stay at home advisory”, which began on March 24 and is in effect until May 4. I expect that may be extended. The peak is expected to be from April 10-April 20. Governor Charlie Baker holds daily televised updates. I have been impressed with his handling of the pandemic, especially the coordinated effort with Robert Kraft to use the Patriots plane to fly to China to bring back one million masks for use in our hospitals and another 300,000 for New York.

WNY, Buffalo .. we've also been on lock-down for a couple of weeks now. Thankfully liquor stores are considered essential. LOL! I've seen more people out walking, biking, jogging in my neighborhood than I knew lived in my neighborhood! Roads are quiet in the suburbs, parking lots empty .. most people are complying in my area.

I haven't always agreed with Governor Cuomo's politics, but I am very impressed with how he's been handling this.

Here in Ohio, the first case was officially identified on March 9; the governor declared a state of emergency and asked colleges to cancel in-person instruction that day. K-12 schools were ordered closed on March 12. From that point on, restrictions on gatherings, events, and businesses were progressively added (in hindsight and IMO this step-by-step approach was erroneous but perhaps did work to acclimate the people to the idea, leading to greater compliance in the end) until full "stay at home" was ordered on March 22.

We have a stay at home order unless for necessities. Which for some reason includes the ability to buy alcohol - I guess the state needs the tax revenue. The pot shops are open, too - I do get the idea of Medical Marjuiana, However. I go out about once a week (to deliver egg donations to the community center, check my post office box as we don't get home mail delivery in my rural town), and I needed supplies to work on the quail housing I am building this weekend. But I am going to be ripping up some old pallets ditched on my lot, to supply the wood for this. Our trash "service" is at a dump/transfer station, but it is easy to stay at least ten feet away from anyone else dumping their stinkies.

Editing: I am no longer shopping at big box stores. Too many people.... no matter how they are letting them in.

Bonnie, I am also impressed with Baker, our mutual governor..

Not sure, but I'm guessing one reason liquor stores are staying open is because suddenly stopping drinking could cause withdrawal problems for alcohol dependent people. But probably also because of tax revenue! When this very first started I ordered a couple of bottles of wine from my neighborhood wine store up the street and when the guy delivered them he told me they had sold half their stock, and this was at the very beginning!

In MN our governor said something to the effect that adults make choices and alcohol may be a choice some make in dealing with this unprecedented crisis. I appreciate that view. I think it would be a real problem if liquor stores were closed. Whether you decompress with a single adult beverage or have a problematic addiction, now is not the time for a temporary prohibition. Cannabis isn't legal here but I suppose the same could be true for that.

As of last eve, ours in WA state is extended thru May 4.

Annie, all of those things are new as of today, under CT's "safe stores" directive.

Finally, AL is under a Stay at Home Order, starting Saturday April 4th at 5pm.

That one way aisle idea for grocery stores is brilliant. I’ve written to our biggest chains suggesting they implement it.

Our friends in Germany said they had piecemeal “lockdown” rules in their country to start with. However they switched to countrywide rules which they thought was better. In this country we’re caught in the middle of our historical freedoms and government structure and an unprecedented need to control people’s behavior. It’s an understandably difficult dilemma for our country.

Chicago is transforming the U.S.'s largest convention center, McCormick Place, into an "alternate care facility" for people with mild covid symptoms, thanks to the Army Corp and Illinois Natl Guard. I complain a lot about my property taxes and the corruption in this state. But our state's leaders have stepped up during this pandemic. I'm so grateful, as I know many people who will potentially benefit from this.

Stay at home order extended through all of April. Limiting the number of people that can be inside of a store at a time to 20% less than safe occupancy on a normal day as per fire code. Somehow, they will have to count those coming in and let someone else in when someone comes out...that should be fun...NOT!

Workwise - My company just extended the mandatory work from home through May 1. I am always work from home so it doesn’t impact me, but I think it was a great thing for them to do. We have some big corporate campuses in states that do not have shelter in place at all, and it applies to those employees too, all employees worldwide. We are an essential business, and last week I had three different levels of team meetings all stressing you are essential, we are essential, stay home, get delivery, get plenty of exercise, rest, take care of your family. It is very stressful at work right now and the company is doing the right things IMO.

I love the idea of one way aisles in the grocery store, I wonder if we can keep that forever. Our stores do have to limit the # of people allowed in, it is based on square footage. A grocery store size is allowed 75 people.

I haven't been overly impressed with our governor....until today. Oregon is sending 140 ventilators to NY. Well done Governor Brown.

Not long after I posted yesterday, our governor finally instituted the order we had been waiting for, effective at 5 pm today.

I follow India Hicks on IG. They just shut the grocery stores for the weekend, at a minimum, in the Bahamas. This was done with zero warning.

I was looking back at my calendar, and see that around Monday March 9 things in my area started closing. Events were cancelled, the schools in my district closed, some enclosed public facilities closed like parks buildings, churches went online-only. I stopped going to the gym that week, already there were fewer and fewer people while the staff was being more and more active in disinfecting the equipment. By the weekend, the governor put a shelter-in-place order out.

Even though my town was ahead of the game in taking action, we still are the hotspot for our county, but that could have to do with the high rate of international business and education travel here. People are getting very creative in ways to keep their businesses going without coming in contact with coworkers or customers.

But still, on the WorldOMeter chart, we are now 8th in numbers of cases, behind the states that only recently, or this weekend, have Stay Home orders. Activities were being curtailed and people were changing their behavior on their own even before the order, going on a month now, and we are still way up there.

So Florida, Louisiana? Just now getting Stay Home? when they already have more cases than we do? It’s not boding well for them. And by the way, was everyone listening to the news, but waiting to be TOLD to Stay Home?

One of the issues that is not being addressed, as the powers-that-be work on housing for homeless, the mildly ill, hospital overflow.... the health care workers who have to return to their own homes, with other family members, and try to not expose them in case they have become infected. Some have suggested renting hotel rooms but that would end up a huge expense, that most would not be able to afford. I wonder why at least university affiliated hospitals, with empty dorms, won't offer those to their employees.

Stay at home order, except for essentials, started March 16th at 8 pm, here in MA.

Raee, the Chicago area has been working to address these issues here in our city. Just last night, I saw an area college that was opening its now-empty dorms for hospital staff and first responders so they don't have to commute home to their families. The last I heard, the city is also working to make hotel rooms available to the homeless.

I'm particularly worried about domestic abuse victims, and children who are cooped up with parents who may not have healthy coping skills during these stressful times.

Feathers, I hadn't heard that. I think it's great, and in fact would a dorm be a good hospital ward as well?

I would think so, Bpath. The college was Elmhurst College, and I just overhead it yesterday evening so don't know more details. It's a great location--on the metra line, just far enough out of the city to get away from the thick of things, but still convenient. Every day, I read about new ideas of adapting here. It's really amazing and hopeful.

Virginia's stay-at-home order is scheduled through June 10.

I can't find the link now, but earlier today I read that the Governor of South Dakota says it's the people's responsibility to keep themselves safe, so he's not ordering a Stay Home.

Warning - crude (but true) meme follows

Yes, and although we've had some increase in cases, the graphs I saw yesterday showed an improved slope. I think we benefit from a lot of people in the banking and financial sectors that can work remotely.

I just don't understand some people. This photo was just posted on a neighborhood FB page. The poster did the read marks and basically asked WTH. This took place today. Don't know the time. Granted the State SAH started today at 5pm, but the County SAH started last week. The comments are not nice ones.

They are threatening to close the greenways as a result of behavior like Allison0704 posted. Seriously, I question whether I should even go on my bicycle.

Social Distancing and Greenways