Ha - when when I was a beginning gardener and people used to ask what such and such a plant was, I dealt with my lack of knowledge by either muttering some vaguely latinate waffle, very quickly and indistinctly......or confidently insisting it was a viburnum. Never once got challenged. In the UK, shrubberies have gone the same way as rockeries and conifer and heather scapes (although I find myself perversely longing for a revival). For years now, it has been perennials, tropicals, vegetables or wildflower meadows and such - anyone with an interest in philadelphus, berberis, weigela, abelia or even hebes are considered totally passe.....and yet viburnums (along with hamamelis and rhodies) are still deemed acceptable, even somewhat rarified.

Thanks everyone for your recs - keep them coming! Doc - isn't it true that so many of central Ohioans who buy Amish cabinets have more money than sense. The in-laws live in Cincy. Perhaps we will stop by David Smith's show room on the way to check him out. I have a feeling he will be painfully expensive. We will see what the future budget is...oh how I hate the B word... Who did you use for your counters? Were you happy with the material and the installer? Self installing isn't a deal breaker, but it is something I'm confident we could do. We bough a fixer upper %30 below market value to make it our own. We are the GC, plumber, electrician, etc. andreak100 - I can understand not wanting to put the cabinet maker in an awkward situation. Could you email me the New Wilmington gentleman's information? Just click on my username. We have family in the Youngstown area so we could pop on over to PA to see some of his work and meet face to face. estercita - they are a bit far but so is dutchwood and upstate new york. I may give them a call and see if they allow pick up and self install as I'm sure they wouldn't treck to Ohio. Can you post pictures of your installed cabinets please? I bet you waiting for your cabinets is like a kid waiting for Christmas! aokat15 - wow talk about kitchen envy. I couldn't help but notice the Pro48 and Wolf range. I will admit those our WAY out of our reach and even if we could afford it, it would be overimproving for our $225k neighborhood. Our kitchen is currently an L shaped 6.5 foot x 10 foot. We will add a peninsula to make it a U so we won't need as many cabinets as you. A few questions - are your pendant lights Hudson Valley? If not, what are they? What stone yard/fabricator did you use for your counters? Were you please with your experience? I would like the super white, but sometimes it can be hard to find that "perfect slab" and am willing to go to Cincy for that if they can deliver up to Columbus. I notice you have a toe kick. Does Mark Miller offer a non toe kick option? I haven't decided either way, I was just wondering. Does he have a showroom? And lastly, price. If you are not comfortable emailing me the ball park of what your cabinets cost (and I totally understand) could you give me an idea on where Mark Miller came in relative to your other bids? Hopefully we can swing him if we like his work since our kitchen is TINY!

My other finalist was BM White Dove which is lighter than China White. Samplize.com is a great source for paint decals you can move around.

If you scroll down these links re Green Bodbyn cabinets, you’ll see @icedana’s work-in-progress Bodbyn kitchen. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5761647/ikea-dark-green-cabinets#n=29 https://www.houzz.com/discussions/5770121/ikea-green-bobdyn-yay-or-nay