Hmmm...thanks for digging that up. So that's a confirmation from six years back that I've asked that DG people don't copy any of the work and it was ignored. Oh yeah, along the way I learned about copyrights, method, patent, etc. I've got a bunch of registrations right here on the wall behind me. WS has been a huge learning experience. Publishing onto a .org website has been the fastest way for me to freely share the information with the widest audience. This is from my the front page of my website--FRONT PAGE--so it's clearly there: The contents of this site are protected with registered copyrights. Permission for duplication of our Winter Sowing information, graphics and photos is granted for educational and/or non-profit purposes. Direct linking to this website is encouraged. Paraphrasing of any of this website's content, and/or paraphrasing of any GardenWeb FAQs authored by "Trudi_d" is discouraged unless credit to Trudi Davidoff, Trudi_d, and/or WinterSown.Org is given. Now, as to that work of mine that was copied and published on DG, a for-profit website, without my permission....I'd like it all removed. I didn't ask before. But I'm asking now that Dave remove all of my work from his website that was added without my permission from his website. (Of course if Dave has already started this I do understand his point of view.) I'm sure DG's adept members will be able to tell him where it all is. Start with the people who copied it and ask...did you ask Trudi first? And if so, do you have a copy granting permission? If not, you know what to do. To remind you of the policy in use at Dave's I ask that you please look at DG's acceptable use policy and see section 8. Here is a link that might be useful: DG TOS

Sign me up for the HDD Database....! My end of winter project was to build my own database, then transfer over all my existing info from "word". But not being a computer guru, I just got frustrated with the process of setting up a database from scratch. HDD, can you email me with details of timing, price etc, of your system. Sounds like it is just what I am loking for. Cheers,

Seems like we can't email on here. Could message each other but I'm D****d if I can see how to do that. Finding this Houzz thing v. clumsy & difficult to navigate. Don't recall "legacy" GW being so awkward - I'd have given up on it. (Edited/added): I'm getting VERY frustrated & angry with this website. Are you up for seeking one that's more user friendly? Please email me. I'm edzell and you can find me at shaw.ca. P.S. I'm looking at helpfulgardener.com; seems pretty good. Click to switch off notifications about new comments More Discussions wilt pruf sprayed and froze on junipers Hi all, I have a small garden in New York City. The... happygardengirl Ideal careers for a male with a horticultural degree? I still have a long time to think about this, but it's... mike758 14 Fungicide for damping off of food producing plants? What would be a systemic fungicide that could be used... ms_minnamouse 8 RE: hiring help I've been the sole gardener at an estate for 15+ years... dlbk 4 Need volunteers or another inexpensive method for seed production I am running a very tiny seed operation that has recently... amigoverde

Okay, here are my thoughts so far: This Erlwhatsis LED panel is a 45-watt fixture that provides about 20k lux of plant-yummy light at a distance of about 4 inches. This drops rapidly to 8k to 10k lux at a distance of about 10 inches from the panel. Light intensity also declines the farther the plant is from the center of the array. I have two 12-watt TaoTronics bulbs on either side of the panel and they throw out 40k lux but they have a circular array of LEDs so that's actually only a light point of about 2 to 3 inches in diameter, declining rapidly outside the focal point. Basically you can put one plant in the middle and anything around that one plant will be poorly-lit. Just to put in context, direct sunlight is over 100k lux, increasing in intensity as you get closer to the, er, sun, measured in astronomical units of 150 million kilometers. To improve light distribution, I am planning to attach white panels on the sides of this shelf. Above this setup is my other plant shelf, under T5HOs. Now, if you want to keep your plants growing throughout winter, a 45-watt panel is not going to be enough light to keep your plant compact, especially if you are planning to heat the area up to summer temperatures and keep feeding them. This will work for me because I do not plan to keep them heated in the basement, nor to feed them. IME, this slows them down to the point of semi-dormancy. Basically, this is winter shutdown for some of my adeniums. That said, LED grow lights generate wavelengths very specific for plant growth. That part, I have to monitor this winter since it will be very different from plants just scavenging usable wavelength from daylight T5HOs. In my home office, though, that's a different story. That stays tropical all throughout winter. I hope this helps someone! Pagan