Thanks roseberri. I played it safe and planted New Dawn and Zephirine Drouhin on my large arbor out back(south side). I expect New Dawn to take off...not sure how quickly Zephirine will go, but it is a fairly large rose already and I didn't have much of a choice as it goes right by the walkway now that I have them both in the ground and can see how they sit. Both are blooming and doing fine though. Red and White Eden are still in pots. Regular Eden was sold out at the nursery. I feel like Red and White Eden are somewhat of a risk being relatively new plants(circa 2004) and hearing less about them, but I'll be quite happy if it works out. The spot I am putting them in is on the north side of the house, but far enough in front of the house that Red and White Eden will probably get more sun than any rose I currently have planted. You mentioned Eden would work for smaller settings, so I am only building a small 4'wide x 7'tall simple arbor for out front(haha just to make room for them). Something simple and just to walk through although with such a small yard it will probably become a focal point. If you are familar with Victorian Village in Columbus roseberri, then you can grasp the size of my small area. I'll have to keep everybody updated on how Red and White Eden do as Red isn't even an "Eden" genetically, and I believe White is a sibling of Eden. Both relatively new and I might wrap the whole arbor and roses with burlap this winter. Hard saying right now. I just want the arbor thrown up and the roses in the ground already! Can't wait.

The Kordesii climbers do very well in 5a, and many of the newer ones are every bit as beautiful as English roses, and easier to grow. Check out, for example, Rosanna, Laguna, Rosarium Uetersen. RU is quite simply, one of the greats, fabulous flower color and shape, easy to grow and almost never out of bloom. Both Pickering, which may be able to ship to the USA this year, and Palatine have good selections of hardy climbers. Also look at another of the greats, Parade. Mine has grown like gangbusters--in zone 5a mind you, is fragrant, and shows very little BS in a very rainy year. Good bloom repeat, but not, so far, as rapid as RU.

Just got another catalog today and have been looking into the climbers..... Well for now, just the roses and the clematis. I've actually added a third (annual) vine before which too works. However sometimes 3 is a crowd. Apart from rose climbers, I've actually been thinking of what to grow over a trellis of mine and I'm concidering getting a green grape vine. So now, get back to your homework.

Here's the website for North Creek Farm. Suzy Verrier is an expert on old roses that will grow in Maine, but as I recall also has some of the newer roses as well. I know that North Creek isn't close to you, but she does mail order. If you visit the website, the plants are listed under "Gardening Shed" which seemed an odd place to put them. Her roses are all unfussy types. Here is a link that might be useful: North Creek Farm