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Picea pungens 'Globosa' vs 'Glauca Globosa'

Ontario_Canada5a_USDA4b

11 months ago

What's the difference?

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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
11 months ago
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the glauca part in the name...
plantkiller_il_5
11 months ago
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I think 'Globosa ' was an earlier discovery

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Stephen, of course you know all that but others may not. The RHS info sucks because they don't have real plant experts in conifers and their cultivar names, this is what Lawrie and Derek told me 2 years ago during the Poland/Czech Republic fieldtrip with the Dutch-and British conifer societies. (The late Lawrie Springate was working for the RHS and Derek Spicer is the BCS Chairman) That's why they asked me to help them with their new up comming conifer book. Also this "glauca" part was mentioned then and after I explained the whole situation, the decission was taken that the glauca part must stayed involved. It's quite simple, in the past the 'Glauca Globosa' was written as Picea pungens forma glauca 'Globosa' This row of names was way to long so they shortened it in Picea pungens 'Glauca Globosa'. They did this with all the forma glauca cultivars which had a Latin cultivar name, it was still clear that this one was blue needled... The "glauca" part have to be in the cultivar name for clearification of it's colour. For example Pseudotsuga menziesii which also does have a f. glauca group. There's a 'Glauca Pendula' and a 'Pendula'. If the glauca part should be removed then there are two 'Pendula' cultivars from which you can't see by it's name if it's the blue or the green one... Did you also consider this before you wrote your comment?
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
11 months ago
Although the ACS lists them as two separate cultivars, according to Hillier, they are the same, and Dirr appears to confirm that theory.

I am interested to know what others turn up 😕
maackia
11 months ago
To add further confusion, read the fourth bullet point here.
Ontario_Canada5a_USDA4b
Original Author
11 months ago
Read about synonyms here

It appears that for an average gardener like me there are no discernable differences between the various Picea pungens 'something'

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I asked the question not because I am a conifer geek (I am not) but because I am looking for a companion conifer planting for my Picea pungens 'something' that is grafted on a 2' standard.

Ideal IMHO would be a little Chamaecyparis obtusa 'Nana Gracilis' shrub which is dark green and very structural (which makes for an interesting matching contrast with the Picea) but it is unfortunately only marginally hardy where I am.

Any little shrub that you folks can suggest?
maackia
11 months ago
Ontario, you’re painting with a broad brush. While P. pungens ’Glauca Globosa’ and ’Globosa’ might be the same, Picea pungens ’Something’ is a bit far. They’re not all the same, and posting pictures from one website does not prove otherwise.

Could you explain ”very structural” for us?
Ontario_Canada5a_USDA4b
Original Author
11 months ago
last modified: 11 months ago
@maackia The 'something' has to be read in the narrowing context of the discussion, e.g. as the 3 synonyms in the RHS link.

Definition of 'structural'? I have also seen 'architectural' and other adjectives that I can't remember. The meaning of such words/labels depends 90% on context. You know how the foliage of Chamaecyparis obtusa 'Nana Gracilis' looks like.

FWIW, I have at present co-planted my (high grafted) Picea pungens 'Something' with a (low grafted) Abies balsamea 'Nana' and a (rooted cutting) Juniperus squamata 'Blue Star' in the same, raised garden bed. The latter is marginally hardy where I am, and I am looking for a replacement if it gets severe winter damage or dies.

(Actually, I will add a small co-plant and let nature take its course. Who knows, the 'Blue Star' may survive for a long, long time)

Edit: Abies balsamea 'Nana' seems to have synonyms, too, LOL. Regardless of naming, I like them all :-)

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