I'm with you Ken! I know when I order bands, sometimes I'll have to baby them & repot them into larger containers so that they survive, but they should at least be rooted fairly well. The one's I posted on the other link were sold as 1 gallon roses, and what I received were tiny little barely rooted cuttings. Luckily, the vendor agreed to refund the charges for the 3 that I truely don't think will make it based on the amount of dieback they've already had...but you never know. You'll have to let us know how it goes with Two Sisters. I have an order that I placed last fall for 3 roses. I really wanted the striped mini Life Lines, and they were the only ones who had it in stock, so I added Nozomi and Charles Austin to fill the box. As for Burlington and Heirloom, I've never had a bad experience with either. Their roses are smaller, but they've been healthy for me. Burling even threw in two free ones on my order because one was tiny and the other was a substitute for one she was out of. Great customer service! And I'm a huge fan of Angel Gardens. Pam is WONDERFUL! She's one of the vendors that will let you know if you're going to receive a "big rose" or a "small rose" before you order. In the past, she's even charged me a qt price on a smaller gallon. Tammy

Patty- thanks for telling of your experience with these various roses. My Fireopal and Jolie are pretty winter hardy but South Africa isn't. Strange how that works. Fiji is struggling too but I potted it up and it's growing much better now. We have had such a cold spring and crappy cool summer here I think it wreaked havoc with my roses. We've only had a couple of days in the low 90's. I loved it but my roses haven't so very little growth or flowers, even on the roses that don't seem to be affected by rose midge. My best Kordes performer by far is Honeymoon Arbor rose. I have a Florentina band that's growing really well. No flowers but I really didn't expect any. Another band that is growing really well is Tequila Supreme. I've had several flowers on her. Hopefully she's winter hardy. I never had heard of Heart Song. What a stunning rose. Sharon

I also await blooms on my Soul Sister that I got from the J&P sale recently. Both Soul Sister and Savannah are really robust growers. THey took off after planting right away compared to others that I got at the same time.

Kristine- Thanks! :-) Actually I think looking at that Munstead picture again that it just looks bigger than it really is because of the perspective/angle? I'm guessing it's about 4" across. but that's a total guess. Karen- Thanks! :-) I had to talk my husband in to Headliner. He just wasn't sure, but now loves it. Al and I both reeeeally like smelly roses. ;-) I find Headliner to be slightly fragrant. We certainly enjoy it more for the sharp contrast of the pure white and dark pink more than the fragrance. The reasons I love it are much the same as why I absolutely adore Love Song eventhough it has no fragrance to me at all. Lisa- Thanks! :-) I agree about Love Song. It has plugged right along this summer. It did bloom less when the weather was the hottest, but the blooms were still beautiful and big. And truthfully it took me a while to figure out what "fried" by the heat meant. I thought that roses we had with icky blooms were all damaged by Japanese Beetles for awhile. lol That makes sense to me about Soul Sister and full sun/shade. We have it in one of the spots in the yard that recieves the most sun, probably at least 9 hours. I'm also really happy with the overall shrub shape. It's not throwing out wonky long spider legs or growing lopsided. But... then I'm not really sure how much of that kind of thing depends on the person caring for it. ;-) Patty- Thanks so much! :-) I agree. I'm kicking myself that I didn't bring one of those darling birdies home. May have to drag Al back up there this weekend. ;-)