Patricia, Glorie de Dijon - Died this winter. 3 years old. Was in too much shade, but I had read that this was a rose that could tolerate some shade. It never was a strong rose, but I wasn't expecting it to die. Beautiful blooms. I want another one of these. Love that fleshy color. Rev d Or - Lived for 2 years. Grew by leaps and bounds, then one spring it leafed out and then died before blooming. I look at my roses often and the death was very sudden. One day it looked bad, within a couple of days after that it was dead. I think this happened last spring. Bouquet d Or - Bought from ARE, so it was a 2 or 3 gallon rose. I think it was bought and planted in the early fall. It didn't grow much and was dead within a year (maybe a half a year). This was 2 or 3 years ago. I also lost Sombruil the climber. It lived for 3 years then started dying back this past winter. I kind of thought it would come back from the ground this year, but no such luck. I hope this helps. I've lost some HTs to the creeping die back crud, but some of these OGRs were kind of sudden. I've got other noisettes in the same area: Jaune Desprez, MAC, and others whose names I can't remember, but they are all very much alive. .... so far.

There isn't any way around it, when you spray something to kill something, you're going to kill something else. Pyrethrins aren't any less toxic to bees and is likely more so to other beneficials than Spinosad. For me, the Spinosad makes more sense because I have less slug and far more leaf miner to deal with. And, I just like the idea of it being bacterial than chemical. According to Oregon State University, pyrethrins are toxic to honey bees. If you were to spray at dusk when bee activity is less, you'll probably affect fewer of them, mostly those who try to spend the night in your rose flowers. They're the culprits for my bee stings. They always happen when deadheading and it's always due to my grabbing the bloom to be cut and awakening the sleeping bee. Oregon State says: Pyrethrins are highly toxic to fish and tadpoles. They affect their skin touch receptors and balance organs (4). � Pyrethrins are toxic to beneficial insect (such as honeybees) and many aquatic invertebrates (4). � Pyrethrins are low in toxicity to humans, other mammals, and birds (4). So, even though they're not as toxic as many others, they do have toxicity to fish, tadpoles and bees, like everything else does. Kim Here is a link that might be useful: Pyrethrins at Oregon State

Thanks Terry! One more question...how cold did you get on those few really cold days in January? I got 29 degrees with ice, and the temp didn't rise above 42 for 48 hours. Do you think a limequat would be ok? This is pretty rare for us - we get freezes every year and even ice from time to time, but I think it usually warms up a lot more during the day than that. I would of course cover it in situations like that. My young, covered satsuma was unscathed. Thanks!

True_blue, 'John Davis' will bloom again on new wood, though the second "flush" generally isn't very significant. In order to climb, this rose NEEDS deeply dug fertile soil and feeding, otherwise you'll just end up with a shrub, but an attractive one at that. 'JD' can take zone 3 cold, but the biggest challenge is dealing with winter desiccation drying up the stems. Alberta (central Alberta included) will at times experience amazingly BALMY winter temps and the reflected heat from buildings will only further intensify and desiccate this rose. So, I water deeply prior to freeze up and attempt to lean 'JD' away from the house ... it's a challenge to get almost any rose to climb in our cold prairie climate. 'Olds Collage Rose' looks especially nice, thanks for posting vstapes :)