What do you think of Clementina Carbonieri ?
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Comments (6)In my garden CC is a slow-growing, beautiful, healthy plant that gets big in time. Sharp Tea scent. Neither CC nor MT (I'm assuming the latter is our 'Archduke Joseph') has cerise tints. MT/AJ has slightly darker flowers and great foliage, and gets huge; CC has good foliage, not so strikingly handsome as MT/AJ's, and sunset-colored blooms. CC's flowers are usually semi-double, but at times can become fully double, at which time they look a David Austin bloom gone fluorescent. These are both in my top ten. Melissa...See MoreOlga-just how much shade Clementina Carbonieri
Comments (2)My CC was in full sun, but unfortunately it died to the ground last winter and never recovered. No experience with this rose other then full sun. It was not too much burn for me here. I think in zones 6/7 Teas need as much sun as possible. They are southern roses and need heat to be happy. Olga...See MoreShould I plant Clementina in the ground?
Comments (10)Hi Jackie - I have a few thoughts: 1. Judging from the timing of your first blooms each spring I would speculate you're actually in a warmer microclimate than what you thought was z5 (now z6 thanks to the greenhouse effect). 2. However, I would suggest that you wait until next Spring to plant your teas in the ground - not only will they have the benefit of another year in the garage, but they will also have all of next year's growing season to spread roots before they face the winter outside. 3. My own experience: I have lost 2 CC's to winter kill, as well as a Mons Tillier and a Duchesse de Brabant - the last is supposed to be particularly hardy. On the other hand, my MFK has had almost no dieback for two winters and she is now 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide. Baronne Henriette suffered more dieback but she bounced back with big fat new basals each year and is now about 5 feet tall. All of these are planted in more or less the same conditions. The other tea that seems very hardy in my garden is Marie d'Orleans - almost as big as MFK. 4. Mounding the plants (I use pine bark mulch, I think it's what Stephen Scaniello recommends) is probably more important than the windbreak - a couple of my teas have died back to virtually nothing and have come back from the roots. In fact, thinking back on it, I should have given the first CC more of a chance after her first winter, rather than SP'ing her. But go ahead and do the windbreak too. I hope my ramblings are helpful \;^) George...See More'Clementina Carbonieri' Please tell me about..
Comments (19)I'm just south of Jeri in the coastal belt (inland from Venice Beach) and I've also had 3 unsuccessful attempts with baby ownroot C.C. It's actually quite chilly in my garden even tho it's southern California. We get bouts of damp moldy conditions & ocean breezes thruout the year. I have experienced a lot of failures with very young Teas & Chinas due to this. I've also realized how difficult windy conditions are for growing plants, particularly roses. But, this year I discovered a trick - by accident, of course. I have a little side porch that faces south with a very low small concrete landing and a low wall. It's so hot & dry against this wall that almost nothing grows here except for lavendar & germander. Herbs enjoy growing in a large pot on the concrete stoop. I recently stuck small ownroot VIntage bands in this pot. The bands arrived just as we were going out of town so I stuck them quickly in the pot so they didn't die while we were gone, and of course, I forgot about them until a month or so later, when I realized that all these tiny roses had taken off superquick, faster than any spot in my garden probably because of the heat & sun reflecting off the walls, and the shelter from the ocean breeze. So this area is now my ideal nursery setup for bands, and now, I'm having very good luck with several roses that have repeatedly failed here. As for CC, I finally got the 4th one going by putting it in a pot on this stoop -- it's an absolutely beautiful tea: dramatic dark foiage and lovely muted orangey-salmon flowers. I'm going to plant it out this spring....See Moreberrypiez6b
last yearDRAT, the girl does not like heat, shade , or rain-
same as Amara.
We'll stay in today and watch birds out the window.
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I just got a gallon own root of CC from Roses Unlimited this month. I'm really looking forward to it growing. It came with a bud that opened into a lovely fragrant bloom. Fruity and tea.
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