Wow thank you for all the replies. I’ll be back and type individual replies once my husband gets home and can baby sit so I can type on my desktop. i missed my baby’s nap window posting on another thread (it takes forever on my iphone)

Eden did not work no spray here south of Nashville. She was totally defoilated by mid summer, but I may have given up on her and ripped her out too soon as she was not at all mature yet. I have a pretty limited tolerance espeically when they are in a prime spot.

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) you moved?!!! and left all those roses?!! 😩😩😩

California, now, Ben?

Glad to see I'm not the only one stunned to see that Ben moved to Calif! You're always one of my favorite posters, b/c I think we have similar tastes (and philosophy) on growing roses. But I always had to put it in perspective b/c you are/were in Dallas! Apparently, several of us are curious :-D

Thank you all for all the replies again. Ben I was hoping you would post because I remembered your gorgeous Eden. I was also surprised to see your comment saying you moved. I can’t wait to see what I am sure will be your future garden in California and hopefully no more blackspot for you.

Subk3 thank you! Your message is all I needed. We are only around 3 hours from Nashville so I would consider our climates identical. I have never jumped into purchasing Eden because I was afraid it would be a BS mess and I guess it probably is. Maybe if I decide to just specifically spray her I’ll try it.

CeresMer I don’t actually have a vendor to purchase from. I only saw it available at Heirloom a while back but if I ever got it I would prefer it grafted. Eden seems to me like the kind of roses that would do better grafted. Tho all my own root stuff from Heirloom has always done exceptionally well.

Mad_gallica thank you for your post. I am not certain how the bs pressure compares from the north east to here in the south, but I am assuming you all have humid hot summers also so if it can’t be grown there no spray it will likely fail here also.

Vapor I agree Eden is just soooo lovely. I absolutely love her color. I also love moonstone and pompon veranda which all are reminiscent of Eden. I ordered pompon veranda from palatine the year they had trouble with their fields and they refunded my money and I was never able to get it. One day hopefully I will grow it.

My understanding is that there are temperatures that are too high for blackspot to start. So in the south, there is a break from it in the real heat of summer. We don't get that. Summer overnight lows over 70 are rare here

CeresMer, Sheila, Susan

Yes, I just moved to California about two weeks ago! I had thought about it for some time, bought a new house over the Christmas Holiday, and got all things sorted to move in March! I wrote entities in both CA and TX to get my roses to come along with me and am now the proud owner of a monstrous rose pot ghetto which I dream of turning into a big rose garden soon . I’ll do a write up once I get more time, currently buried in endless boxes and plants. I’ve always wanted to have my own Sunset Zone like Susan, I just changed my location to 9B Sunset 14. Very much looking forward to setting roots here, just looking around it’s easy to tell this is gardener paradise compared to TX (water shortage notwithstanding).

Back to Eden: Here she is towering over Melody Parfume, Just Joey, Love & Peace, PJPII

Ben, how exciting! Just to clarify, the 9 in my name refers to the USDA zones, b/c I always considered myself 9b. Although recently, it seems like we've crept up to zone 10a, b/c it's been awhile since we've had a <30 degree low. I remember ~15 years ago we hit 24 for a low in January, which was an oddity. I'm in Sunset zone 24 b/c I live ~1.5 miles (as the crow flies) from the ocean. But Calif is the home of microclimate variation. Very best wishes for your new home and garden, and I'm looking forward to any updates you share! Profound apologies for doing this during a terrible drought.

Ben i cant believe you were able to bring your roses with you! imso happy for you! i cant wait to see a pic of the fabulous pot ghetto through the spring i always adore your roses. I actually bought some irises this past fall bc of you. I never grew an iris before and now i have a lovely arrangement about to bloom this spring. i bought purple irises, mostly two tone varieties to live with my Julia Childs. I just loved how your irises popped with your roses. were you able to bring any irises withh you to CA?

And hey Di! how are you? I love that you are still getting to play with your roses! I hope you are able to find a climber that works for you!

Sunny good to see you posting. I hope your roses are doing great. It is definitely being a bit easier to do stuff now that my baby is walking. As you saw I am dealing with a huge messy garden x2 now so I have lots of work to do. My parents are coming every couple of months and staying with us for a couple of weeks at a time so I’ll get to put in some time in the garden again. In a couple of weeks I will be working on improving the curb appeal of the lake house by moving all my 15 Olivia’s and creating a large hedge along the front of the house and adding a soft touch holly hedge in front. As you know I have a longggg way to go before my garden can look good again. With everything being so crazy lately we still haven’t been able to have a shop built for my dh so we haven’t place the house for sale. I guess it actually means I have lots of time to work on this garden still. I obviously don’t need more roses but still ordered Silas Marner, Eustacia V and Bolero this year =)

@dianela7analabama

Eden is maybe my top favorite climber rose !

I am 6b zone and I planted 2 Edens. One in morning sun and one in afternoon sun. I had a normal summer her first year she had no BS. only 1 of my 100 roses had BS.

Last summer it rained almost every other day all summer & finally near end of summer Eden got some BS, but very hardy, I just picked it off. I have the most BS resistant rose varieties & knock outs too & it rained so much almost every of my 100 bushes finally got a little BS. A few did not. I think all my roses were drownibg in damp soil. That was an unusual summer. I am near L Ontario & tge Fingerlakes…. sonetimes it rains a lot. Last years rain eas the rainiest ever!

You are in 7b so should be less rain, maybe less humid than me? Put Eden in a sunny location-she should grow well as long as shes is ”not drowning in humidity & rain,” Lol Have fun!

Happy Gardening!

Kitty thank you so much!

I guess since different areas have different bs strains this may account for the difference in your Eden (how wonderful). I also think she is one of the most beautiful roses ever.

Off topic, could you please tell me how were you able to “tag” me like that where my name shows in green and I actually got a notification that you mentioned me on a post. I have been trying to do this for a while now without success. I would greatly appreaciate the help. I swear I am supposed to be a reasonably smart person, but some things on this site are beyond me and make me feel dumb.

@dianela7analabama

Thank you! Another Houzz member told me how to tag a name, then they are notified immediately.

You type the @ sign first and then type their name-houzz name -in full. Choices will come up to click on at that point.

Have fun!

@KittyNYz6

thanks again

I have never been to your area tho I bet it is beautiful. We are in alabama so our summers are in the 90s where 70s to 90s percent humidity is the usual. Not sure how it compares.

@dianela7analabama im 7a and NJ its so very humid! I agree with kitty that my toses only got blackspot around septmber end of summer whne they are already tired. i dont spray. do you get blackspot during spring?

@CeresMer Zone 7a NJ: unfortunately we get blacspot very early. I couldn’t remember exactly when I first started seeing blackspot in my roses last year (first year I went 100 percent no spray). I found this thread where in June my strawberry hills had already defoliated completely and was starting to get new leaves again. The very good roses here like ADR winners kordes tend to get some spots September and later.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6130965/for-anyone-looking-for-a-orange-very-blackspot-resistant-rose

i will definetely pay more attention when everything starts this year.

Many of mine get BS before the first flush has even finished with so much Spring rain. Hardly any are immune.

Vapor thats terrible. I am afraid that’s what many of my Austin’s are like and they are my favorite. i am going to note when it starts this year.

@dianela7analabama

D Austins seem to be a challenge in humidity, they do get BS. I have about 8 DAs. If we have a dry summer they are fine. Last summer was usually humid/rainy & they get BS-that’s that. So I won't be buying any more DA. The ones I have do pretty well so I’ll keep them,.

Last summer rained every other day-most bugs ever & humidity-roses never got to dry out-very unusual. Even the Knocks Outs in full sun got BS-but they recovered. I sprayed a couple times which skowed BS down.

Kordes seemed most resistant against BS. Didnt need spray any Kordes. Everything else seems to get it eventually if humid all spring-summer..Eden got BS iat the end of summer…. lost a couple canes of leaves….. but very quick to recover.. All canes still healthy.

There are a couple of no spray gardens here. They have a lot of old gardens roses. I saw a lot of rugosas, gallica, ramblers, & more varieties in their gardens. They had scentous rose & I had scentous-which does well in humidity. Der Rosenmeister Nursery in Ithaca, NY has no spray gardens-he has a list of roses he sells.

Happy Gardening!

@dianela7analabama & @Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley interesting. I had different expirience. For me, during summer the roses were attacked by pests! I was in a war with thrips, beetles and everything else in btw. By septmeber was the first time I noticed the BS. Mostly in my iceber, it quickly spread it out to other roses. Abe Darby got terrible rust.

Do you guys spray with horticultural oil and copper in spring? I used that last year in spring and fall. maybe that helped out with the BS? I usually follow the treatment by Grace Rose Farm.

This year I plan on using neem oil in spring to hopefully make roses stronger against pests and BS.

@CeresMer Zone 7a NJ: I did not spray my roses with anything at all last year. We also struggle with thrips and japanese beetles here but I also did not spray for bugs. After a few years of spraying conserve for thrips I stopped spraying 100% and started buying minute pirate bugs to increase my beneficial population of their natural predators. After a couple of years I feel like my roses look as good as when I used to spray. I still get thrips damage but not enough to damage all my blooms. Some of the roses that were most affected like First Crush I just shovel pruned them (the blooms always opened brown)

the japanese beetles are just an impossible situation, I started adding milky spore to my garden but no results yet that I can tell. I just ignore them also (they are simply nasty)

Dianela - I got an Eden by accident from Palatine last year, and gave it to a friend as Eden was in the spot meant to be occupied by Augusta Luise. But when I saw the gorgeous blooms, I thought I'd made a hasty decision. So I now have my own Eden, a one-gallon from Heirloom, in a pot for now. I'm going to see how it does along a front porch rail. If it gets too vigorous, I can move it somewhere else while it grows out a bigger root ball. So, we shall see! My only critique is the no scent part -- but after I saw the rose pruning video by Ben Hanna of Heirloom Roses I knew I *had* to have this rose! We get some black spot in May/June when we get the marine layer (what we call May Gray and June Gloom), but I don't have a lot of pressure. So I can't speak to your central question. But after seeing Ben's pics, I would try Eden, for sure! What an amazing display!

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) - I just about fell out of my chair when I saw you'd moved to CA! Then I saw your reply with explanation. WOWZA. I can't wait to hear how your favorites (may) change in a new climate. Did Elton appreciate the move? I feel happy that Elton is a little bit closer to me now! :-)

p.s. My Neil Diamond put out about 3 blooms last year total, and I don't see any buds yet this year. He was a big, five-gallon plant when I put him in year before last, based upon your rave reviews and photos. Do you recommend anything to kick start his Cherry Cherry?

Deborah, Oh,My, You have an Eden in a pot. This will be my third year to have her. Last year she grew huge thick long canes-10 ft. I am excited to go out & prune her on Thursday, when warm. I so love her blooms. I am wondering how big she will be in a pot. I will have an Aloha CL in a pot. Cant wait to see photos of your Eden!

Pictures, Kitty? Well, my Eden was a 1-gallon own-root from Heirloom last summer, so it's not big yet. And I'm not sure where I want her long-term, hence the pot. I don't imagine I will keep her in a pot, though. We shall see!

@dianela7analabama Im so excited you ordered new roses! The question is.. how many of each did you order? I know you like your multiples! haha

I put in some Bolero last year but had it too close under a tree I think. I pulled it out a little over a foot this year and added three more. I'm hoping the extra water exposure will help get these babies off the ground. Literally. This was my "K now I'm lying on my belly to smell a flower" rose. I hope you love Bolero. It's so romantic.

The Mary and the Munsteads you gave me all have buds! Everyone else is leafing out.

Your Olivia hedge with the Holly is going to be gorgeous! Good luck with the move! I'm sure they will all transfer well. Are you determined to move all the mature plants, or are you supplementing a few newbies too?

And what luck that your parents are getting to stay for such a long time each trip! I know they are having the best time seeing yall and enjoying their sweet grandbaby. And yay for having more time to tinker in that glorious garden of yours! I can't wait to see your bloom pics this season.

Just curious, is your Dark Desire beside your Earth Angel? I couldn't tell in your pic which rose was the light colored one.

Dianela,

Hope you are getting some help with your garden and maintenance and landscaping. Two gardens, toddlers and a busy job sounds like too much for anyone. Do you grow Queen of Elegance? Not a sub for Eden but I’d think a great rose for a no spray garden. I think she’d give Knock Out a run for its money, with nicer blooms and fragrance.

Thanks Everyone who asked about my move! I very much appreciate that you care about my big life change..

Sunny,

I bet those Iris look good with Julia Child, purple and yellow sounds like a beautiful match. Please take some pics to share with us once they bloom.

Deborah,

Elon is thrilled with the move, we have a wonderful dog park that is a 10 minute walk away, he loves to play with the other dogs. He also visits Grandma’s house every week to be spoiled and take naps with her. Perhaps some alfalfa tea or seaweed will help make Neil Diamond a ‘Cracklin’ Rose’?

Susan,

I didn’t realize you were so close to the coast. I think the coast around Santa Barbara is one of the most beautiful areas of the country, lucky you.

Sorry for the late responses everyone, been busy unpacking, when all I want to do is plan my garden and shop the local nurseries!

Queen of Elegance::

Eden and Neil Diamond. I think they look like a candy store:

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14)

Must be wonderful living in CA-I love CA! Miss it! Cobgrats on your new location & new garden plant! So much fun!

i just had delivered a new ”Queen of Elegance,” rose. I am excited to plant her & see her perform. It’s wonderful to hear she doesnt need sprayed!!! Your Eden & N D are YUMMY-BEST CANDY EVER!!!!

@Sunny Mississippi 8a the light creamy roses are Desdemona and Lichfield angel.

Desdemona

Lichfield Angel

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) thank you! I am so glad to hear that Queen of Elegance is doing great for you. I would love to try it some time.

Wow @dianela7analabama your roses are always so impressive! i have a LA and she did not flower like yours. i think i pit too much fertilizer last year 🤣 hoping this year he will do better. love the combo with the red rose

Thank you @CeresMer Zone 7a NJ

I hope your Lichfield blooms a lot this year. I normally fertilize with Osmocote plus indoor/outdoor. It is a slow release one that last like 6 months. When I can manage I add cow manure (black cow) around the base of the plant during the winter months. Lichfield Angel is one of my favorite David Austin’s since I live the creamy blooms and they are very large compared to others like Desdemona. Is yours in full sun? Mine gets all day sun which really helps here. i usually also plant 2 or three close by.

2 other plants together of lichfield angel. it helps create a larger bush woth more blooms

@BenT (NorCal 9B Sunset 14) Ben - Sorry! I got Elon's name wrong! How could I forget that he's more like Elon Musk than Elton John? Love your photo of Neil Diamond and Eden together -- and my Eden (very young 1 gal from Heirloom) is in a pot next to Neil. For now. Neil has already got his dose of alfalfa early last fall and his kelp/seawood this spring. I don't know what his problem is. He's in a primo spot. I might move Rouge Royale in his spot and find a new place for Neil. Is this love on the rocks?

@mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)

Sorry I missed your post before. I also was under the impression that at some point the temperature gets to high for blackspot which is why I guess places like California or other hotter areas have less pressure (plus dry weather). I do not think at least my part of the south classifies tho. What I can find puts BS proliferating at a wide range of temps anywhere from the 50s to 90 degrees depending on the source, but must agree the 60s to 80s being ideal. In our area we are within that range either day or night for most of the year except during the winter months.

Even in July and August where we can get into the 90s during the day the evening and nights are at a perfect 60s to 70s degree for blackspot spot. I wish I knew of a perfect rose growing place, I think I would try to move if I did :). Even Cali or other dryer places with their low blackspot pressure have to deal with super challenging water situations so we all have our challenges I guess. For now I am testing to see which roses cope better with blackspot and removing the weaker ones. I think a lot of the newer introductions are definitely showing some promise here

Unrelated to Eden, but my roses got blackspot this year and had significantly defoliated before a lot of them could even set buds.

The ones in less sun suffered the most.

@jc_7a_MiddleTN it definitely is dificult to have good looking roses if not spraying on a set schedule. I just noticed that even my Peggy Martin has blackspot and hasnt even bloomed yet. Peggy recovers very well and I would recomend her. The roses that so far have almost perfect foliage this year are mostly Kordes plus Mel’s heritage, Flameco rosita, Olivia, Teasing georgia, Desdemona, Queen of Sweeden, Claire Austin, Bathsheba and Raspberry Cream T. These austins do get some BS later in the summer but do better than many others

Thanks, dianela, if the roses in my part shade foundation bed dont take off, im abandoning the experiment.

they were planted 2019 and ive removed a huge tree limb to give them more sun.

its now or never!

at any rate, ill re-do the sunny beds with disease resistent varieties, so thank you for the local recommendations!

PS- i had alresdy sprayed 1 round of mancozeb and 1 round of propiconazole before they succumbed.

I bought 3 Edens, maybe 3 years ago. I believe 2 were grafted and one was own root. The grafted were by DA and Edmunds. The Edmunds died at the graft..The DA is going strong in a pot (roots grown into the ground). If I was gonna get another grafted Eden I would get it from Austin or better yet,on fortuniana, if you can. I find the Austin grafts are just better in my climate on many roses if I cant get it on fort.

I dont spray at all. At my last property (NE FL) , I had sulphur well water that seemed to help prevent black spot.

Eden did get some black spot during our wet humid summers. It mostly blooms in spring and sporadically in fall.

Our new property is in NW FL Panhandle closer to the FL/AL line, so we have that lovely deep well spring waterso time will tell how the black spot pans out. We do have more of a steady breeze here even though we are a further from the beach..go figure! lol.

I am hoping that breeze will help out in preventing black spot.

I agree with Kordes being more black spot resistant. Also the older/ garden roses, as you already know, Im sure, do great here as far as staying healthy.

Sultry which old roses stay healthiest for you?

I am currently growing a MAC that seems to do great but would love to add more

Im in zone 9a coastal MS. this is my first bloom on my eden and i just adore her. i dont spray any of my roses if i see blackspot taking over i will spray with some whole milk.

@Monique anne your Eden looks very beautiful, please update us how it does with blackspot later in the season if you have time

I grow Eden’s sport Pretty in Pink.

In my area in the south west Ohio valley where blackspot pressure is very high ( Julia Child, bs resistant elsewhere is a sad defoliated stick by mid summer), Pretty in Pink has not one spot on it. I wouldn’t call it vigorous but it does a good job with spring bloom and then occasional bloom thereafter.

I have Eden and Eden Pretty in Pink and I was thinking of ripping them out because Pretty in Pink is the rose that always starts the blackspot trouble in my garden! It is also only blooms once for me which is a disappointment each year. If anyone has a full proof regimen for treating blackspot, maybe I'll give them another year...

dianela, Sorry I didnt see your question about the old roses 9 mos ago!! lol

My older roses that do well are Rubens, MAC, Mrs B R Cant, Rosette deLizy, Glorie des Rosomanes, Maman Cochet ( I have both MC and White MC climbers). Devonensis CL. Marechal Niel, Mrs Woods Lavender Noisette, Mlle. Franziska Krüger.

@Carla English ,

There are many ways to treat/prevent BS.

Are you in south with humidity all growing season or North East-NY or NJ or other state w/ some humidity only oart of growing season?

Makes a difference how to treat it best oer your location.

How old is Pretty n Pink rose? Climbers bloom more in 3rd year if in “full sun—6-10 hrs,” Edens can have hundreds of blooms 3rd year!!! First year maybe few blooms, second year maybe 20-30 blooms. Rebloom more on 3rd year.

I have 2 Edens. One in 10+ hrs sun-hundreds blooms 3rd year. 2nd Eden in less sun-got BS…. May move to sunnier spot. They are my favorite blooms of all my roses……June they put on the biggest display blooming all month… then few blooms off/on all summer. So soectacular June-I wouldnt miss it for the world!

In NY Fingerlakes area, I have humidity/tons rain,, end of summer mainly Aug-Sept & if I remove lower leaves near ground about 6” up stem, it sonetimes avoids getting BS started.

Also, I plant roses far apart from touching other roses or plants so air can circulate-jeep leaves dry, so BS wont get started. Keep them prumed if touch any other plants.

Water on ground roots, not leaves of roses. Try keep leaves dry.

Plant roses in sunniest spots if property 6hrs and more sunlight. Shady roses can get BS.

Spray if BS starts regularly. It can stunt or stop BS altogether. You will loose less leaves/rose stays healthier. American Tose Society suggests most effect sprays on leaves..

Make sure you plant roses in soil that drains well. If soil is soggy wet-dig up soil & replace with areating healthy soil that drains well. Clay really retains water-soaking rose toots-causing BS. Improve clay soil by adding Espoma or organic soils/compost.

If one rose gets BS it can spread to other roses anywhere… Nip it first signs…. try little of all above ideas and may orevent it spreading.

Sonetimes it not the rose but the way you’re caring for it. Hope these ideas help with your Eden Pretty n.Pink rose

Kordes roses & I have a list of roses that do well in humidity if you need ideas.

MY EDEN,

2022, 3rd year, beginning of June blooms.

2022, 2nd year favorite blooms:

Sultry thank you! I will save the names of the roses you mentioned so I can try them in the future.

Kitty!!! Your Eden is all grown up!! I still don’t have an Eden, just the white one. You may have influenced me to get one 😉 I will probably replace perly gates, beautiful first flush but basically dead after 😕

Kitty those roses are fantastic

@CeresMer Zone 7a NJ

Yes, Eden is fantastic, hardy & vigorous growing…. MY FAVORITE! She grew much taller than photo above in summer 2022, 3rd year, too. I trimmed her back as I dont want too tall. Hope you consider adding an Eden! Just love her! I have Pearly Gates, but not as BS proof & don’t know how well she dies as she was just too young first year w/ few pretty blooms.

How old is your Pearly Gates? My Pearly Gates had first blooms, first year, in August… just a few blooms, Lol!