I do not have a plumbed fridge, so pardon me if I'm wrong. Isn't the water supply for the fridge a narrow, flexible tube, which can be routed from the cold water pipe from the sink, via a small clamp? I have a similar tube and clamp for my under-sink water filter. Couldn't that narrow, flexible tube be run through the back of the cabinets which would be between the sink and fridge, if the fridge were placed on the short wall to the right of the sink?

What’s here? Wondering if that’s a wall the coffee bar can go on. Because it’s not working where drawn.

It is kind of part of the dining room. It’s an open floor plan so I’m not sure about having a cabinet gap and then more cabinets down on the end of the dining table. That might looks weird and extend too much kitchen stuff into the dining/living area.

acm I thought about putting the fridge over there, and maybe I could get the waterline to run. The problem I see is that if I have a fridge plus a large pantry on that side it will butt up pretty close to the sink and I will only have a very small bit of counter between the sink and a large sidewall of a pantry which I think will feel very cramped when someone is standing at the corner sink. I think it only leaves me with maybe 24” of space between corner sink and a big sidewall. I think that will feel like a weird little counter cave right?

If it was only the fridge, I’d say move it to the stove side. But there is not enough room for the pantry, too. So I’d nix the coffee bar, slide the fridge and pantry into that corner that was wasted dead space. Make the aisles at least 42”. I think you still end up with an island about 72” though, which means your aisles were insufficient with the coffee bar (and a 12” deep coffee bar was not going to work anyway). Have the coffee maker to the right of the fridge and dedicate a drawer below for the stuff.

It's hard to think about how a plan works when you've already invested a lot into drawing it in 3d planning software, so don't do that! Just sketch on real or virtual graph paper. Part of the value of this site is that a lot of people can "see" what you're trying for from a sketch.

Sometimes, it's worth asking what the rules about stuff like water and an outside wall actually are. Like, you may not know that you can have a sink on an outside wall, but you might not want pipes INSIDE the wall. And that's ok, cause the sink is in a base cabinet and the pipes don't have to be in the wall. If someone starts yammering about a vent to the roof, you can use one word to silence them. That word is Oatey! They make an in-cabinet mechanical vent.

I would not worry about how the water gets to the ref. It's just a tiny copper tube and is flexible it can snake through the toe kicks of cabinets or through floors or walls..

I would try, on paper at least, is doing a double sided-island without stools. Put cleanup on the outside long side, consider a prep sink on the inner side. Put a MW near the ref, possibly in the island. Maybe add a hutch, bar thing using 15-18" deep cabinets on the wall of the dining area instead of the kitchen. Then you have the entire outer wall cabinet run for the range, pantry and ref.

As @mama goose_gw zn6OH said, try the ref on the short wall, using the long wall for pantry/range. Kids can go to the dining table with a plastic table cloth. Works well and you get all of the kitchen space to be kitchen. With your original plan, you'll mostly be facing away from the kids anyway. This way, with your main prep on the island, you won't be fighting not to ruin their homework and you'll spend more time facing them.

You could use the space that was going to be coffee/cabinet pantry to be a step-in pantry with relatively narrow shelves on the potty wall and deeper ones on the short side.

This is what I was thinking when I asked about routing the water for the fridge:

The pantry to the right of the fridge is side-loading, which means it can be shallower, but still easier to access, and you could keep other items in an ROTS pantry at the other end of the L. You could put a MW to the left of the fridge, and the coffee maker could be kept on the counter below, hidden from sight but close to the cream. ;)

The narrow base cabinet to the right of the sink could house cutting boards and baking sheets, of it could be a pull-out to hold coffee accessories. I put the trash pull-out beside the range, to leave some floor space in front of the sink.

There is some zone crossing, but no one needs to walk past the range to get to the sink--the range is in the most protected spot, and the fridge is easier to access from the living areas.

i think i'd do this configuration. youd get the long peninsula with about 130 inches for stools . I might prefer all the drawers you would obtain for that stretch. back wall will have coffee bar within extra deep cabinet .....various sorts as shown below......[ much better ] .....next comes fridge.....then sink ...range at middle spot next to the window. trick is to utilize depth left of fridge and combine coffee station with your storage in one setup. You are limiting what can be done by thinking the 12 in deep thingie on side wall will meet your needs and you must work around it. Mistake.

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Thanks everyone! Herbflower, I have a pennisula layout now and really doesn't seem to work for our family to only have one entrance/exit to the kitchen. Once you're in there, you are kind of trapped. I think the island will make flow better. I agree that I should stop thinking I need that little coffee bar, It's cute but you made me realize it's not functional so why work so hard to keep it?!

Fridge on the back wall seemed like it would have a straight shot from that open aisle so people (my 3 hungry boys and friends) could come and go to the fridge without interfering with the rest of the work triangle, but maybe I am not thinking correctly on that. That was my main reason for leaving it there. I envision me cooking, dishing, etc. and my boys hitting a straight shot to the fridge and pantry for snacks, maybe stopping off at the microwave at that end of the island and exiting the kitchen all without getting into my workspace or blocking an entrance.

emilyam819 I think I'm gonna try your idea. Slide it all down. That leaves my aisles free. It also causes the least disruption to my appliance hookups, which saves money. I know it's a small thing to move a water line, but then the gas is moving 10 ft. instead of 1 ft. electrical is already in the wall for the hood, which would have to be added on a different wall etc. It starts to snowball.

Do you already have your stove purchased? Could you consider induction? That would eliminate the need for a gas line at all.

I would set the coffee bar on the other side of the mudroom opening as previously suggested - do a different color so it doesn't look like the kitchen is being extended. It could also double as a buffet area for the dining room. If you can , put a small bev ref in there and that's where you could have creamer.

Then you make that are floor to ceiling shallow pantries.

Just a thought