I am a kitchen designer who uses Crystal quite a lot. They have a door called Gentry in both of their frameless series - Encore(lower price) and Quest (total custom). That door has 3 3/8" stiles and rails rather that the 4" on the Plain and Fancy. The drawer can be 5 pc or solid slab. Crystal, in the Quest program, will do the stile and rail widths in any size from from 2 3/8" to 4" wide at a very reasonable charge, about $3.00 per door list. With stiles as wide as 4" you will definitely want to see your kitchen in accurate elevations. A 12" wide door will look very different than say a 21" wide one. Doors under 12" wide may have to be slab style because the panel would be so narrow. A standard industry design program like 20/20 may not show the doors totally accurately. This could be a very dramatic look if designed with care. You'd be best to find a designer who is willing to take the time to figure out how to get the best fuction using the most consistant door sizes. It can be done but it takes time and creativity to get it right.

drachiele, I do not agree with your statement at all. A local shop doesn't have the advertising costs, the costs of paying the "middleman" to sell cabinets, or often the same level of labor or markup costs. Local shops don't have to ship cabinets. You also don't get up-charged to extreme extents for anything outside of the standard line since custom cabinet makers can more easily accommodate special requests because they build each cabinet to the specs of the customer instead of in assembly-line format. The people who work in a local shop have to care about quality because they often exist solely on word of mouth and referrals for their business. Often, you have the cabinets being made by owners of the cabinet shop (or relatives of the owners) rather than some paid employees in a factory who do not have the same incentive to care. I am not implying by this that there's anything wrong w/ factory cabinets and I am sure many factory cabs are better than many custom cabinets. However, I think it is serious misinformation to suggest that custom cabinets cannot ever be as good as factory cabs. My Amish-made custom cabinets are far nicer than the non-custom lines we looked at in terms of quality, craftsmanship, and cost. They also cost between $20,000 and $80,000 less than Medallion, Candlelight and the other non-custom options we looked at. We did not compromise quality, we improved it, and we saved significant money.

We recently expanded and renovated the kitchen with P&F cabinetry. It's stunning. Really beautiful. For a small fee you can develop a custom color--paint/glaze, and they retain it in their systems to match pieces to in the future. Our KD was exceptional. The details she put into the integrated raised end panels, the paneled bar with pilasters and corbels, etc is just stunning. We also have a custom wood hood. In terms of finish--ours seems hard as nails, smooth as silk. The doors are solid. In terms of service---we had a situation where the end panels on the cabs that flank the wood hood were not proportioned correctly. P&F immediately manufactured and sent replacements, and the color exactly matched the other cabs. Since we have a custom color & glaze, I was impressed. The best way to determine price/value is to price your layout with a few different lines of cabs you are considering. I have a few areas in my kitchen that required custom sizes to get exactly what I wanted, so going with other lines I often had to compromise on the design. In the end we paid more for the P&F than some other lines we priced, but we also got a far superior quality and design for the incremental cost.

I used them and I was happy with them. They did take the full 16 weeks to be made so that was frustrating but we knew that going in. They arrived with one mistake - the sent us two left end panels for our island instead of a right/left. Im sure they would have made us a new one but but our contractor did a patch with some matched paint and filler and since it was out of the way, I would never know if he didn't tell me about it.