Thanks for the suggestions. I haven't tried A. concolor yet. Probably a relatively easy one to obtain too. I have lost A. lasiocarpa that was sourced from Arizona (I believe it was was A. l. arizonica from Lawyer). They were all bare root and I didn't really know how to take care of them at the time. Also, I think the elevation and heat we get are a bit iffy. I have lost noble's as well and assume they just won't do it here. As for a concolor from the Sandia's, that's a good idea. I am familiar with that area as I lived in Albuquerque for 5 years while in grad school (yup it took me waaaay too long). I have a wet site too. I am in the middle of a mountain valley with lots of water (including a creek about 200 feet from the planting site), and a relatively high water table. Zone 4b is a bit misleading. It can get that cold, but I think the bigger effect on plant survival is the long, hot summer which is much more drawn out and longer than those types of deep freeze temps in 4b.

All field peas do well in the heat, better if they can be keep watered. I say that because it has been so dry I have giving up trying to water the whole garden since most stuff is past its prime. I and am switching my efforts to the peas sweet potatoes and Butterbeans maybe I can salvage some of them. They all do very well in the heat. I have never been succesful growing other beans in mid summer. I can sometimes get a decent fall crop planted now. But with this drought I won't be planting anymore beans. I have 23 varieties of peas and 3 varieties of butterbeans growing. I also have a row of soybeans which have not been watered regularly and they are not as vigorous as they usually are but are doing fine in the heat. The common beans look terrible. I have a row of brown seeded half runners that I am growing out for seed. They have been keep watered but with the heat very few beans have set.These were planted first week in June and the vines still look good.This was a bean I was given by an elderly man, who got it from his great aunt. I also have the turkey craw bean planted late May it is turning yellow and has not set many beans. Each year I continue to say I won't plant beans past first part of May but each year I still do, in a effort to try and get some isolation and get seed but they never do well mid summer. Rodger

I have guavas and starfruits that both survived the last brutal winter we had. Lost leaves and some got pruned back a bit, but they all made it. I am currently posting a few on c list if you are looking for carambola. However, I am not sure if they should go in the ground now or you should just buy potted ones you can bring indoors and wait until spring. I think keeping them in the pot would be a better bet. Here is a link that might be useful: Starfruit / Carambola

Hello everyone, I just thought I will thank you again (Diane, Kate and frangrancenutter) and show you what the area looks like. From the opposite side I used my roses and added some bare roots (Jubilee Celebration and some Abraham Darby). I ended up with this list as planted from most sun to most shade: Double delight (3) Isabelle autissier Harlekin (kiss of desire?) Augusta luisa (2) Penelope Vendee imperiale (2) Peace Elektron (bought as Gartentraume, turns out to be mistagged) Chinatown Golden celebration (2) Abraham darby Charles de Gaule Belle story (2) Jubilee Celebration Isabelle autissier (2) William Morris (3) Golden celebration (2) Heritage Abraham Darby Augusta luisa (2) Gartentraume (3) Olive tree #2 (shades the following roses) Pat Austin (3) Gertrude Jekyl Gertrude has been a problem indeed, on both sides of my house (morning sun, afternoon sun) It has been leggy, stingy (not one rose), diseased, etc... I got some blackspots with Abraham Darby and Augusta Luisa getting most, so I sprayed with Tebuconazole (0,4). No mildew at all. The other side of my house gets 4-6 hours of morning sun. I got almost no blackspot there except some on Pat and Gertrude, and some mildew just starting on Blossomtime and both my Nahemas. It's mostly sunny here and there is so much growth going on! These are Heritage and Princess Alex. of Kent from the morning sunny side (today) : Thanks again! I will update you again probably in May, when the hedge starts blooming :) Gladis