I do not know most of those roses, but I would guess that Double Delight (which I do grow) needs lots of sun, the more the better--if you want that extraordinary coloring it can exhibit. More sun would also help keep down some of the blackspot problems that DD tends to suffer from, I would think.

In general, in my region where the midsummer sun can get quite intense, Austins function better with morning sun and afternoon dappled shade--but that might be more or less true for some individual Austins. I seem to remember that Austin has a list of his roses that are more shade tolerant. I don't think any of them like burning sun.

Let us know what your final decisions are. Look forward to seeing pics of your new bed.

Kate

Golden Celebration and Augusta Luise are fairly heat tolerant here, but can get big, especially GC. We obviously do not have the year round warmth you have, but our summers are hot and dry. I try to keep GC at about 7' tall and 6' wide. Augusta Luise has a more upright growth here, and despite dieback from a surprise Arctic blast last November, she rebounded quickly, and now stands about 5' tall and 3' feet wide. I'll let you convert that to meters. In your climate, they will get bigger, so you've got a lot of roses to pack into your 13 meters. Be sure to post photos on the forum for us to see.

I forgot to mention that forum member fragrancenutter grows gorgeous roses in Australia in a hot, dry zone 10. You might check out her photos. She could probably give some good advice about growing roses in your kind of heat, along with a few other forum members in hot, dry zone 10. Good luck. Diane

I wonder if you would really be very happy with Gertrude Jekyll. Many people are not because she's a poor bloomer and I think also very thorny. I have a feeling her blooms would fry quickly in the sun.

Golden Celebration likes heat and lots of sun BUT it also likes a lot of water. Kate is right about DD. The more sun it gets the more and deeper the color.

Your summer heat is very similar to what occurs here in Las Vegas Zone 9. July is our hottest month, and during the summer, we have approximately 90 days that exceed temperatures of 100 degrees F. During July, temperatures can hit 118 F. It is also very dry; actually, it is the driest major city in North America.

Pat Austin has a strong reputation for dislike of high temperatures; even gardeners in Mediterranean climates have commented about the lack of heat tolerance. I live in a desert with high summer temperatures, and thus have passed on Pat Austin. Pat Austin will definitely benefit from a more sheltered placement; but if temperatures hit 118, it may not matter.

Double Delight is a rose I grew over a decade ago, but in a position where it received morning sun only. My mother in law grew it in full sun, and it seemed to handle the heat. Golden Celebration has decent heat tolerance, but I grow it in a position where it receives morning sun only. I previously grew GC in a position where it received filtered sun and it was a healthy, happy rose.

Heritage is beautiful. I grew it rather unsuccessfully about 13 years ago, but gardeners in Texas, a place where the summers are hot, although not quite as hot as where you are, like this rose. The complaint I have read is that the blooms shatter quickly.

Gertrude Jekyll was thorny, lanky and stingy with her fragrant blooms. I left it behind when I moved into our new home. During the summer, her blooms did not fry because there were none.

Hope this information helps.

Lynn

Hi and thank you so much, it's been very helpful so far.

I grow some Gertrude, Golden celebration and Pat on a Northwest facing wall, where they get about 4 hours of morning sun (until 10.30 am) and all day full light.

After reading the posts, I have decided to keep Golden celebration for the new border/hedge and remove both Pat and Gertrude from the list. Double delights will get the first sunny spot, then Augusta. Heritage the last one. Still not sure how to go about the other roses though.

Here is photo of Pat today:

And Golden Celebration:

This border was planted with trees, only they were too high and the house/terrace was in total shade. You can see some of the trees I removed in the back. The 3 plants still potted on the right are jasmines (jasminum grandiflorum) and will be planted right after the double line of roses.

Drip irrigation will be installed.

I ordered some more roses last night (Fall Frenzy), bare rooted, but they do not have to be planted here. The Alnwik Rose, Molineux, Gruss An Aashen, Jude the obscure, Abraham Darby, the Wedgewood Rose and Sweet Juliet (1 of each to test how the will do in my area). So if any seem like a good choice, please let me know.

Jude the Obscure gets large and the plant itself doesn't mind heat, but the lovely blooms can't take the heat at all, in my experience. The best heat tolerant Austins for me are Munstead Wood, Evelyn, and Princess Alexandra of Kent, though her blooms are inferior quality in extreme heat here. Diane

Diane, I should be getting 3 Princess Alexandra of Kent in December (bare root) through an order I placed at a local nursery, along with some more Heritage and Winchester Cathedral. I planned to use them under a pergola, with around 7 hours of dappled shade, so now I will keep a space for Princess Alex. of Kent somewhere near the jasmines instead, where she only gets about 4 hours of direct sun.

Kate! Such beautiful and healthy roses! Absolutely no time to notice the garage. What's the yellow one??

The list has evolved into this, planted in double lines, in groups, depending on the size of the roses:

2 Double delight + 1 Isabelle Autissier

1 Augusta Luise + 1 Vendee Imperiale + 1 Molineux (This set gets many hours but mostly dappled by the olive tree on the left side)

2 Golden Celebration + 1 marie curie

3 William morris

1 The Alnwik Rose + 2 Belle story

1 Heritage + 2 Princess Alex. of Kent

3 Gartentraume

The pictures below have Double delight, Isabelle Autissier, Augusta Luise, Vendee Imperiale, Golden Celebration, marie curie, William morris, Belle story, Heritage and Gartentraume in place but not planted yet because I still need to work the soil and paint the fence.

Will be waiting for Molineux, The Alnwik Rose and Princess Alex. of Kent.

From the right side:

From the left side (HTs and Augusta not showing due to the angle and my position on the upper balcony

I don't know why I feel I need to add more!

Gladis

You have such an exciting place to plant your roses, plus they will do a good job blocking the eye from viewing the lower level above. Be sure to post some photos when the roses are planted, and also later when they bloom. I'm really interested in seeing how your Augusta Luise looks when blooming in this unique area. She's a favorite of mine. Diane

Augusta Luise

I am also in zone 10b Mediterranean climate. Of all the roses you mentioned here I only have Augusta Luise, DD, PAOK and Gertrude Jekyll. All these plants are heat tolerant but GJ's flowers fry very quickly in dry heat but the others won't. Most roses I grow and show on this site are generally heat tolerant or else they will get shovel pruned. :)

Gladi, I'm quite excited to see what the results will look like when everything is blooming. Promise us some pics!

As for pic of roses screening the ugly garage, the yellow rose (I consider it creamy white with a light yellow highlighted center) is a wonderful HT called Elina, about 3.5 to 4 ft tall. Mine gets only afternoon western sun--which can be rather brutal for many roses, but Elina seems to survive it OK. The plant gets rather big, full, and rounded for me--which is just what I needed to screen out the neighbor's garage. The ruffly blooms are fairly abundant but perhaps not quite as large as you might expect. Not bad, though. Quite bs-resistant.

Kate

Have you considered growing some climbers over the fencing? They will love it and it will look very nice.

Hello everyone,

I just thought I will thank you again (Diane, Kate and frangrancenutter) and show you what the area looks like.

From the opposite side

I used my roses and added some bare roots (Jubilee Celebration and some Abraham Darby). I ended up with this list as planted from most sun to most shade:

Double delight (3)
Isabelle autissier
Harlekin (kiss of desire?)
Augusta luisa (2)
Penelope
Vendee imperiale (2)
Peace
Elektron (bought as Gartentraume, turns out to be mistagged)
Chinatown
Golden celebration (2)
Abraham darby
Charles de Gaule
Belle story (2)
Jubilee Celebration
Isabelle autissier (2)
William Morris (3)
Golden celebration (2)
Heritage
Abraham Darby
Augusta luisa (2)
Gartentraume (3)

Olive tree #2 (shades the following roses)
Pat Austin (3)
Gertrude Jekyl

Gertrude has been a problem indeed, on both sides of my house (morning sun, afternoon sun) It has been leggy, stingy (not one rose), diseased, etc...

I got some blackspots with Abraham Darby and Augusta Luisa getting most, so I sprayed with Tebuconazole (0,4). No mildew at all.

The other side of my house gets 4-6 hours of morning sun. I got almost no blackspot there except some on Pat and Gertrude, and some mildew just starting on Blossomtime and both my Nahemas. It's mostly sunny here and there is so much growth going on!

These are Heritage and Princess Alex. of Kent from the morning sunny side (today) :

Gladis

I just reread your post today, Gladis. How did everything turn out? I would love to see how it looks now. I'm sure we all would:) I'm in a hot and dry climate too, so I'm always interested in hearing how different roses perform in these harsh temperatures. We would love an update. You've chosen some lovely roses. Lisa

Please post an update, Gladis!

Any photos?

Now that Gartentraume is available in the USA, we are eager to see your photos, Gladis! How did your roses turn out? :-)