South Africa is on my wish list. I hope you get lots of comments! In some photos it looks more orange but from descriptions, I think it is an orangey-gold. It is supposed to hold its color and not fade which attracts me. I'm in hot, hot Sacramento.

I passed on this rose several years ago, concerned about adequate blackspot resistance, but got one this spring after Moses gave it a strong recommendation. Bareroot on multiflora. Very productive from early June on, even in upper 90s heat, and no blackspot no spray. Only about 2 1/2 feet tall, first year, in in about 5 1/2 hours mid sun maximum. Blooms are somewhat lighter when it’s real hot, but still nice. Otherwise, bloom color is spectacular. I should have gotten this years ago.

How long does South Africa bloom last on the bush, and how's the scent? Thank you. I'm impressed with Golden Fairy tale lasting 10 days on the bush, and the scent is nice & good for the vase.

It’s light scented with blooms that last reasonably long on the bush. Among all yellow shade roses in my garden, the flow form of South Africa is least attractive (fluffy loose pedals). However, unlike most David Austin yellows and other varieties, South Africa doesn’t fade much in full sun. It’s a keeper.

Maryrose, that is a pretty spectacular color.

Thanks Rifs for your review.

Maryrose: gorgeous pic, and gorgeous color. That's the color I want. Your pic. sold me on South Africa. Thank you. Pat Austin color is similar to that, but blooms blow fast like 3 to 4 days on the bush max.

That's a beautiful photo of South Africa. The color reminds me of Bernstein-Rose, another impossible to find rose. Diane

Beautiful pics! I like how your pic, Diane, shows several of the colors it has. To me, sometimes fading is a plus. I threw out a Cl Royal Sunset a long time ago because when I first saw it it was so orange. Yeah, back then that bothered me. But it fades so quickly to beautiful parchment colors.

Anyway here's my fairly young South Africa, which is still a moderate sized plant about 3'. It is healthy. I think it is less tolerant of drought than some. Blooms can be huge or not, and fragrance can be strong or not. Variable.

It's amber.

With Ghislaine de Feligonde

straw: bloom duration on bush is roughly average. My SA is hiding behind a large mature Earthsong, so it often escapes my attention. Definitely not quick like Heritage, but not super long like Out of Rosenheim. No scent I’ve noticed, so I’m intrigued by what erasmus said.

Diane: good eye. The redoubtable rose reviewer Michael Garhart believes SA is descended from Bernstein-Rose

Thanks, rifis. I think B-R has been used as a parent for some other well known roses, but will have to check. But I did not know about South Africa, which I've always loved. Bernstein-Rose, meaning amber, is a Tantau rose, hybridized by Evers, one of my favorite hybridizers. I've got three of the little roses and have grown them since 2007. They are a very good rose and so dependable. Here are a couple of more photos.

Erasmus, your South Africa is so full and luscious. That first bloom really makes me want this rose even more. Maybe someday. Diane

Diane I ordered this rose last year as a new release called Golden Beauty here. It arrived while I was in hospital and I asked my daughter to put the new arrivals in a bucket of water, but I forgot to ask her to heel them into a big pot of potting mix I keep for that purpose and most of them drowned including my long awaited Quick silver before I came home ((( Im waiting to be able to do a nursery run grrr reminds me a bit of tantaus Shooting Star. sorry I need to get my daughter to help me send photos Melodye

Lovely photos everybodyM

Melodye, is it South Africa or Bernstein-Rose that being called Golden Beauty? If your daughter is like mine, she is not, shall we say, garden oriented. That's too bad you lost your new roses. I haven't heard of Shooting Star, but Tantau roses go by so many names. Augusta Luise is a good example. I wanted to tell you how sorry I was to read about the serious health issues you've had. You are tough. And I hope you get a long respite from these problems. I've hardly got to a nursery over these past two years, due to covid mostly, but the heat this season was so discouraging. I look forward to seeing some of your garden photos. Diane

Bernstein rose is sold at Heirloom

Kristine, I do remember that now. Do you think they actually keep a supply in stock? I never read about it, or know of anyone growing it on the forum besides me. Diane

Well, I just wasted some time going through a gazillion pages of Heirloom Roses' offerings, and it seemed like they "offer" a whole lot of roses they don't actually have in stock. Bernstein-Rose was listed, but when I clicked for more info, they did not know when it would be in available, but to leave my name, etc. In other words, maybe, someday, when the pigs fly, we'll have this rose in stock. Maybe I'm overly skeptical. Diane

Diane South Africa is GoldenBeauty here . Tantaus BernsteinRose, as it was called here, has been out of my old suppliers catalogues for years.The only people who still listed it were burned out in December 2019. thankfully they evacuated in time, the house and display garden were saved I believe, but the nursery was destroyed, sadly. They had an amazing list of early H/Ts, Floribundas, old worldroses D/As and obsolete roses from the mid 1900s. I miss them.To give you a bit of a giggle I ’ll tell you my funny hospital story…My first night nurse introduced herself as Faith, and when I went to rehab the night nurse was Charity, but alas though, for me there was no Hope Melodye:-)))

ps I still love my Augusta Luise M

That is too bad about the nursery being destroyed. It must have been such an interesting place. I remember all the news about that fire, and the photos of the pathetic little koalas (I love those little guys). Oh, Melodye, what a joke. I think when we reach a certain age the hope starts thinning out. I didn't know you grew Augusta Luise. She is my very favorite rose. I've grown her for quite a while now and she is huge, about 7X7 feet. Talk about vigorous. And the blooms are sublime. How is your Augusta doing? Diane

Augusta is doing quite well but needs a good prune,Diane. I always loved your photos of her. I have seen the Tantau catalogue on line. I drool over it, but we dont get many here

1. This is shooting star last winter( august 2020)

And that is the same rose summer (early Dec 2020) it fades to a nondescript washed out apricott

Guess who Melodye she doesnt pick up the colours that yours shows

ps I worked it out posting photos I mean all by myself

Shooting Star is gorgeous. I checked it on HMF and it seems to be only grown in Australia. I love it, and I wonder if it shares genes with Bernstein-Rose. The color is similar in some photos, and Evers hybridized it. Your first photo is outstanding. I see your Augusta there and she's beautiful. You've got the soft colors everyone wants. I read some complaints here on the forum about their AL's having the dark orangish colors. She's certainly is a chameleon when it comes to her colors. Diane

Hi I have another favourite rose. it is called Elysium Fields here but I think itis Knysna in the States

i hope you all like it too

The 2nd photo wont load darn it M

Diane, thank you for enabling us to plant Augusta. Mine is a 2nd year, still in the pot. I wanted to find a perfect spot in the garden for Augusta. Would you recommend morning sun or full sun?

Maryrose, thank you for sharing your glorious roses. I too am so sad for the nurseries loss. Fire is a devastating event with no care for animals, humans and property.

Diane, I tried to get on the waiting list for Bernstein byt Heirlooms site is acting all wonky. But I will try again

It is a bit short for where I need so.ething but if I could actually get one I will find a place.

Maryrose, I love your Augusta and its colors. You got a good one. What zone and conditions do you garden in? I'm in SW Idaho, zone 7, with a short growing season, hot and dry in summer. I think full sun is best for Augusta here. But if you're in a hot part of California, Texas, or other such places, I think you could get by with morning sun (six hours). But here she is a sun worshiper.

Kristine, I did a lot of checking on Heirloom Roses' website. My take is they're not actively selling Bernstein-Rose, and good luck on that waiting list. This is the same for a lot of other hard to get roses--do they actually sell them or just "list" them as remote possibilities.

Knysna is gorgeous, Melodye. I've never heard of it, and it's my kind of rose, for sure. Now to do some "research" on it under both names. Thanks for sharing that photo. Diane

Just checked and Knysna is grown in South Africa not in the US, and in Australia as Elysium Fields. Darn it. This rose, a Kordes, is a ringer for Augusta Luise. Obviously Kordes wants to get in on the action. Diane

Hugogurll, what a great picture. That is pretty stunning isnt it .

Thank you so much for sharing

Another attribute of SA is performance in cooler weather. Interesting, because it’s (rightfully so) in Kordes’ “Sunbelt“ collection. Temps here have gone below freezing several nights in last few weeks, including down to 22F one week ago. In 2 days December will be here. Most of my roses have lost most of their foliage. Tangerine Skies has one bud that might open; my 22 year old KO has foliage but no buds. This SA bud began to open within the last 24 hrs. Small, but still nice. A second plump SA bud could open soon. SA could also qualify to be in a Frostbelt collection.

Rifis your pictures of South Africa are very nice. You posted last year she was doing great with blackspot and I see shiny foliage in your new picture. Is this rose still a good no spray variety in blackspot territory? I think this one would look great near Crazy Love.

It’s been too cold for conidial germination. Having said that, it has remained excellent no spray all year.

Beautiful! Thank you.

I just saw this now - Sept. 21 post from Palatine - “Rose Culture

Evolution Challenge” results.

https://www.facebook.com/palatineroses/