Roses that "WOW" You? Well, this meets my criteria
'Sombreuil, Cl.' (ARS should have accepted the name "Colonial White").
NOT a Tea Rose. NOT 'Mlle. de Sombreuil'. NOT an Old Garden Rose at all.
But vigorous, Wonderfully fragrant, and Generous of bloom.
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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Comments (19)Wow, it must be hard to make rose decisions in a place where it's hard for a rose to die, Suzy. Sometimes i'm secretly glad when a rose that really doesn't thrive in my yard has the good grace to die over the winter, so I don't have to be a rose murderer. As for the rate of failure, it's definitely a product of being a zone pusher and wanting to try something different. Plenty of people in my zone have never lost a rose because they're smart enough to only plant roses suited for their climate- imagine that! I'm more like Ingrid, in sandandsun's timely quote, that I prefer to look at winter survival as a challenge rather than the roses of a particular type (or breeder) having a specific death wish in my garden. You're all absolutely right that knowing the breeder isn't enough to judge health, survival, or any other qualities in your yard. I absolutely do the kind of trial and error experimentation that Lyn was talking about in my own yard, it's just that I haven't really come up with particular patterns for what thrives in my yard, except for the obvious ones like "lavenders and russets are usually weak" (understatement of the year) or "roses with teas in their heritage are a long shot". Rick, I admire you for checking the breeding history of the roses, and it certainly would be a more logical approach with fewer failures. I'm afraid I don't follow the breeding history or even keep track of which parents do well for me, though I have noticed that climbers with New Dawn as a parent are likely to be a good match for my yard. Wow, Nastarana, I hadn't been familiar with Jacobus as a breeder but I looked up Dream Girl, and - wowza zowie is she ever! I love those fat blooms with swirled packed petals, and it's great to hear it thrives in zone 5. Might be a nice counterpart to Nahema on my fence. You ought to share your observations with Helpmefind, since there was very limited personal information on this rose. Where did you get yours? Cynthia...See MoreMy season's first roses! Including a wow! Ebb Tide
Comments (8)I don't know what the mystery rose is, but I love it! Hope you figure out who the mystery lady is. Some of my HTs were unfairly attacked by mothzillas also...weird how they pick and choose certain roses to eat, isn't it? Can u post pics of Lilac Rose when she blooms? I am thinking I might want one of those next year. Thanks for enabling me, like I really need any outside help from others LOL. -t...See MoreWell, I placed my first freakin' zone 4 order! ROSES!.
Comments (15)LOVETOGARDEN, I would love to meet you! I have no idea of my luck with roses here - I'm just trying out those I know are hardy in the ground, and potting up the ones I had in the ground in z7a that I can't live without but that will never, ever make a z4 winter in the cruel tundra. ;) And I would be most grateful for your divisions! I have a third of an acre, which is nothing to a lot of people, but after my 20' x 100' NYC that included a house and parking pad, this is paradise! Your rose list is fabulous! There are some I'm very interested in: Harrison's Yellow Teresa Brugnet The Fairy Pauls Himalayan Musk Comte de Chambord Do you need to do anything for these for winter? And Etoile de Lyon will, indeed, go into a barrel. Your experience with Wally World roses is typical - there's always a lot of debate in the Roses forum about whether the 50/50 shot at getting what it's labeled is worth it. I've gotten some pretty ones that bore no relation to the tags! But generally, the inferior health of these plants doesn't, to me, make buying them worth the effort required to get them going strong. Although that isn't to say I don't go weak and succumb on occasion. ROBBIE, Rose nurseries will ship to you at a time appropriate for planting in your area, and some will ask when you want them. I'm asking for May 1st. So we don't have the question of what to do with them now - they won't come until spring. I've had good luck with Wayside, which others on the Roses Forum will either support or (vociferously) dispute. Pickering in Ontario and Ashdown in I think NC are very, very reliable. Ashdown is pricey, but Paul Zimmerman's stock is of unparalleled quality. Did I spell unparalleled right? Pickering is very inexpensive, and the plants are all grade 1 1/2, which is the highest grade. Ashdown will actually earmark a nice plant for you on a first come, first served ordering basis, so you don't get lousy plants because you ship after every place but Fairbanks. PENNY, There are roses that really don't get blackspot, even here. You have to learn to decipher rose catalog-speak, though - they almost all lie about hardiness and disease-resistance. If they say "tendency towards blackspot," you can bet that you'll have defoliated sticks by August. Hey, all - deer! What works to keep them from eating my treasures? I read a funny upstate gardening book, and the guy said, "In the morning, they'd come from the east and eat every tender new bit that sprouted through the night; and in the evening, come back from the west and graze everything I planted that day." Broke me up laughing....See MoreYou have to read my story on internet meetings !-
Comments (11)there's more than one glass factory and galleries in Seattle. also need to consider the display of Chihuly's glass, at the old railroad terminal in Tacoma. do a google search for that.. there are fabulous works of glass art at the airport at Sea-Tac and so many things, one couldn't see them all in a day or even two. I met up with chickeemama about two weeks ago. we started out with breakfast at a favorite restaurant and headed straight over to Shipwreck Beads..from there it was a fast trip halfway up the loop on Hood Canal. Back to Olympia to some fun quirky places and a coffee factory and back to Shipwreck. not nearly enough hours in that short day...it's good I live fairly close, so we can do this again one day. Becky .(*_*)....See More
jacqueline9CA
2 years agoYes, I agree, and it is also reported to be cold hardy! I have noticed that, to avoid confusion, most folks on here add (aka Colonial White) to the name - do you think the ARS has noticed? So silly to insist in using the WRONG name of it, which belongs to an old tea rose!
We are contemplating what to do about ours, which has climbed up to the roof of our 3 story house. Our local fire department does not want any plant to touch the house, for understandable reasons. Our Sombreuil is actually rooted far enough away from the house to keep it, if we can make it stay on its very large metal arch. Going to try to just cut it off before it gets to the house - have no idea if that will work or not.
Jackie
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2 years agoYeah, you know, we don't have voles. But we DO have a plague of gophers They are legion here. All over the hillsides, so much so that when we had an El Nino winter floor (more than a decade ago) you could see water shooting up from them like small geysers.
You can't plant much of anything here directly into the soil. If you want a rose to live long, you'd best put it in a wire basket, at the very least. But those baskets can fail under ground, so we plant in 20-G nursery squats, drilled full of holes.
Otherwise, yes. You can find a 6-ft-tall rose, laying on the ground, with no roots. That's what happened to this rose. We replanted it in a pot, and it's up to 8-ft. now.
jacqueline9CA
2 years agoYes, it is thorny, and although it will keep growing UP if you let it (at least here in zone 9 in Northern CA), I am told it can be kept smaller by pruning. We are going to find out about that. It's canes are fairly stiff, which is probably why it is able to climb so high. Mine is curling around on the house wall, because it ran out of house to keep going UP!
Jackie
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