>I do grow Fortuniana (on purpose, as a rose bush not a root stock) and Yellow Lady Banks (banksie lutea), although not Lady Banks White. I believe that the growth pattern of the yellow and the white banksies are similar. My Fortuniana is tiny, mostly because the deer have been chomping it continually. I finally put it in a tomato cage, and it is getting bigger. As I recall, I also caged the banksie lutea when it was small. It is not bothered by deer at all now, as it is huge, and the canes below deer height are 2-3 inches in diameter. Jackie, thanks so much for this information. I for sure will not put the Fortuniana rose (still in its pot from the ARE nursery) outside the fenced-in area where the deer can get to them then. What I'm trying to do is to avoid even a single nibble from the deer. I strongly suspect our deer were the vectors for Rose Rosette Disease starting up in this yard last fall. The deer range over many miles around here... and I know from experience that their favorite roses are those with RRD growth tips. Regarding Lady Banks White and deer nibbles, I'm still a little uncertain. Theoretically, they might eat the yellow kind and not the white, since the white has more fragrance in its bloom--and fragrance is something that deer will avoid when other food choices are available. But that fragrance relates to blooms, not the entire plant, and most of the time, it's not blooming, so I don't know why the deer might avoid it, if they do indeed dislike it. I did notice that Antique Rose Emporium made no claims about deer avoiding the yellow Lady Banks, which gives me some hope. They only said that about Lady Banks White. On the other hand, the fragrance of the blooms of fortuniana is supposed to be similar to that of Lady Banks' White. So if they, indeed, do not eat Lady Banks' White, their avoidance might have nothing to do with bloom fragrance, or perhaps fragrance at all. It's so hard to predict! I've read a book on deer, a really good book. It mentioned that deer, like humans, vary in what they like to eat and not eat, even those within the same deer variety and even deer living within the same general area. That's my little worry in doing too much extrapulating to the specific deer population that we have here from a very limited number of experiences elsewhere. The RRD problem here led me to have to toss more roses than I care to think about now. And I'm not sure enough about those roses still awaiting planting at this point to risk getting RRD started up again in a part of the yard that the deer roam through looking for food. But the alternative is to situate them inside the fenced-in area of the yard that is already largely landscaped. There's really only room for a few more roses there. I hate to give up that room to once-blooming roses that were originally ordered for places outside the fenced-in area. I probably can find a place for Fortuniana and Madame Plantier within the fenced area, but I can't imagine letting Lady Banks White loose in that part of the yard! I doubt that I'd have ordered any once-bloomers this spring if not thinking about all the room we theoretically have available in non-fenced areas. The once-bloomers will be blooming during periods when all our rhododendrons, azaleas, and peonies will be blooming, so we really don't need any once-bloomers inside the fenced area, where the landscaping is largely done. We mainly need bloomers for later in the spring, summer, and early fall when other flowering plants aren't blooming. On the other hand, I think I'd love Lady Banks White, and can imagine using all those tiny fragrant blooms to good advantage in bowls of flowers that are mostly much larger. That's one of the reasons I ordered it to begin with. I'm not anxious to toss the rose, but... Decisions, decisions... Thanks so much for your input! Best wishes, Mary

I'm a little confused, some of these are not entirely tea, let me know if the noisette / china hybrids should be reported on elsewhere. A Mme Antoine Mari - no sign of mildew, occasional bs exclusively on old leaves. 2 years old now General Schablikine - as Mme Mari. Beales 'Anna Olivier' - not a spot on it all season - first year rose, still tiny Isabella Sprunt - ditto (if the blooms didn't lose form so fast this would be my perfect yellow rose) Clementina Carbonieri - ditto Mme Jules Gravereaux - ditto, except 4ft tall, not tiny. Duchess D'Auerstadt - ditto, 6ft up it's arch. No blooms but immaculate. Lamarque has been immaculate the whole summer and has taken off like a racehorse in its pot - it's well over 6ft tall. Destined to grow over an arch onto a warm wall. I love, love, love it. Still, have to see what the damp dank winter does. Perle d'Or, small, first year, spotless. B Reve d'Or has had a touch of bs on the long branch that dangled in the undergrowth - once propped up that disappeared. No sign of mildew. Comtesse du Cayla in a pot mildewed, the one in the ground did not, so I think it's an artefact of water supply rather than the rose. Lady H - blackspots a bit when unhappy; i.e., I haven't watered it enough. Never mildews. Sanguineua - occasional spots, no mildew - in desperate need of a bigger pot, so factor that in. Mutabilis, never mildew, will bs and shed and regrow leaves rapidly. No more than say, 10%. Isabella Nabonnand - needs a new pot, some bs, but it's been swamped by an ambitious euphorbia so that might be part of it. Maman Cochet and Maman Cochet white - these leave me this autumn to their new up the road home. Both had a teeny touch of mildew and bs, but I think that was lack of water related. Incidentally, they ball like it's their job. They have excellent sun and air flow too. General Galleni is about 6 inches high in his pot and not doing much. Had a touch of mildew when in shade early this spring. Beale's 'Archiduc Joseph', tiny, had a touch of bs early - again was shaded. Souvenir de Leonie Viennot. Had a little mildew its first spring and autumn, in a pot. Clean so far this year, apart from limited bs on old leaves. It bloomed like a trouper in my hottest,driest spot. C Crepuscule mildews for me, and has done so lightly but unremittingly since it first leafed out. I am not in love with it atm, really hope it grows out of it. it is in the more moisture retentive area of the garden so I don't think it's a dry root issue, unfortunately. Alexander Hill Gray, ditto, also it balls, ugh. No bs though. Le Vesuve - doesn't mildew, does BS periodically. Don't love the effect of bare thorny canes frankly. It does bloom its socks off though.

Trolley Molly wrote-"I also don't spray for black spot or anything else, preferring to take the same tough love approach with my roses as I do with all my other plants. "Get over your black spot or die, it's all the same to me." They mostly get over it." My thoughts exactly. I don't pay any attention foliage problems, as long as the plant grows and blooms. Souvenir de la Malmaison has turned out to be a good bloomer, it has blooms right now when most don't. My Just Joey was either a poor plant ($1 clearance at Fred Meyer) or planted in a bad spot because it has not grown much. I was going to buy Tamora but went to the nursery and it had such terrible thorns I ended up getting Evelyn, Heritage, and Apricot Nectar instead. I kind of wish I had gotten Tamora anyway though because I like peachy colors. I got Westerland bareroot this year but it suffered dieback in the hot spells and is very small. I planted it in the ground anyway so I hope it makes it. I may dig up Edith Schurr again as she looks like she is declining, no leaves and only 5" of stem left. My Buck rose Distant Drums is a really good rose for cutting, usually covered with blooms, and fairly long stems. I like the buff centers on magenta flowers, and the peculiar scent, but some don't- my MIL. The rosesant forum has great Buck rose photos now, especially Carefree Beauty, loaded with blooms for an extended bloom time. My Knockout rose also blooms like that, in a neglected area of the yard where it doesn't even get watered in summer.

These awesome huge roses are always in the southern part of the country😢 That is absolutely lovely, Jim.