Sharing my experience of buying rose bareroot from Breck's
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Comments (12)I'd eventually like to try Pope John Paul II too and will probably be getting it from J&P. I've decided against planting any more grafted plants. I'm not crazy about bareroots either, though I was thinking that in order to get Pope John Paul II it was going to have to be a bareroot plant (but celebrating that they were selling them ownroot now). I'm so glad to find out (on this thread) that J&P do have some ownroots planted in a pot now too; I hadn't seen that anywhere on their website. I bought a bareroot rose last year through Wayside Gardens that was a J & P rose (Fragrant Wave). It wasn't their fault at all, but apparently the rose had an exceptionally long layover after they shipped it (took more than a week to go about 100 miles!), and the bareroot did arrive all dried out. I promptly called Wayside and they replaced the plant shortly, even though I couldn't be sure the dried-out plant wouldn't live. The replacement was a bit smaller than the original, but still perfectly acceptable--carefully packaged and plenty moist, even though it was shipped directly from California to North Carolina, from J & P, Wayside's sister company. After ordering but before receiving the replacement, I tripped up on some information from unhappy customers of J&P/Wayside Gardens/Parks Seeds after their merger, so I was nervous about how that order was going to turn out. But it turned out just fine and I'd certainly do business with them again in order to get Pope John Paul II (eventually). Mary...See MoreLet's discuss mounding bare-root roses!
Comments (8)Luckily my land is not THAT far; it's about a 30-to-40 minute drive from home (I don't drive fast, btw, and in any case, on snaky hilly roads,one sort of has to go slow...)I can keep tools there, in this big ,ugly metal construction built by the previous owner,but I wind up keeping the most-used ones in my car a lot of the time.Sadly, I have no place to stay over there, and in any case my DH and son have different enthusiasms! By mounding I mean the concept of protecting a newly -plante bare-root rose with a mound of material around it's base, placed so that only the tips of the canes stick out. Usually people say to use soil for this, so picture a mound of soil covering the graft union and the lower parts of the baby canes.So, it's like a mulch, protecting the roots a bit, but it's also protecting the canes.Now, for some reason, in my garden, I have had trouble with canes rotting under the mounds: well, to be honest, this only really happened that one year that I mentioned in my first post. Someone suggested using manure/organic matter as the mounding material (I believe it was a lady in New England, USA) Well, for me, this was a disaster. I lost so many baby roses that year; they got canker or just plain rot that spread down to the graft... This really spooked me. Last fall, I tried using peat moss, thinking it would be less prone to bacteria, but again got spooked, seeing how uber-soggy it became under the mounds.So, I un-mounded all of the babies, and re-mounded them , using a mixture of wine corks, pieces of styrofoam,held in place by gravel and sand.This worked. Clearly, it's important in my garden to keep the canes fairly dry and the roots moist.I say, IN MY GARDEN, because from various rose forums, I see that for many-most?-people, this cane-rot stuff has never been a problem! I suspect it may have something to do with the climate here. I think that it's not just low temperatures that come into play.Here in Italy, we can get some wild temperature fluxes, even from day to night, just because, when the sun comes out, it can be so hot. Now, in November, it's so low to the horizon, and besides, it's been raining so much,so it's a very stable environment for newly plante roses.But our winters can offer some dramatic temperature swings. To give an idea, last winter, we had some very heavy snow; at least a foot deep. During the days after it had fallen, the sun came out, and I remember shoveling deep snow,sweating heavily, wearing boots, snow pants (because of the wet, cold snow), and only a shirt on top! But then, the sun goes down,the temperature plunges,all the stuff that melted under the hot (relatively speaking) sun freezes into ice,and then can't really start melting again until the afternoon of the following day.Do you see where I'm going with this? My land, exposed to the south-west, is going to get quite warmed up during a sunny but cold winter day, and then freeze during the night. The road that I have to travel-facing north-could remain un-passable by me for a couple of days-or more, considering the extremes we've been having in weather in recent years.Instead, I think England tends to have a more consistent climate,; I don't think you'd have the same toasty-sun issues there that we have here in Italy. As you yourself say, Campanula, "everything shuts down into a hibernating limbo". Here, it often doesn't! I still have flowers;many roses still have leaves,most of them have the little leaf buds on them...my Okame cherry tree actually RE-BLOOMED. So, it's very confusing as to what the best course might be...which is why I started this thread in the first place.Discussing things can help clarify ones ideas,and I'm grateful to you and all forum members who participate. regards, bart...See MoreBare-root Roses
Comments (7)Ahhh! Soaking the rose sounds like a good idea. You should check out the "needs a home" shelf at your local Lowes. You can find a lot of good plants there for super cheap. I picked up two reblooming azaleas for 6.25 a piece last weekend. This is a good time to find stuff because the plants get bit back a little with the cold weather. Still good, but not pretty enough for the normal price. I probably shouldn't point you in the direction of the rose forum and the antique rose forum, but they can fan your excitement into a complete obsession! Ask me how I know. :) Look into own root roses and antique roses. The roses we all think of as "roses" can struggle here in OK. The link I attached below is for Chamblee Roses. They are in Tyler, TX, so they have similar weather conditions to us. I have some great roses that came from there. OHHHH, you and your wife ought to take a stroll through Will Rogers Park in a month. They have a gorgeous rose garden, plus irises and peonies. (Archduke Charles rose) Here is a link that might be useful: Chamblee Roses...See MoreRating my 2019 bareroot rose orders
Comments (35)Cyndita, Thank you for the kind words, and also for pointing out the fact that Heirloom does offer free shipping after a certain point. As you say, it does balance out the cost, and makes me keep Heirloom in mind since I paid $28.75 per rose at RU to get my roses delivered anyway. I think the kicker is that the sale would limit me to a very small range of varieties, and I haven't had two or three from my list concurrently on sale. This scenario is very possible: I get rose-weak and order something not originally on my list, and then I am toast because I have no space to put it or the space doesn't work because I did not research the rose well enough prior. Anyhow, still good for me to visit the Heirloom site from time to time - thanks for making me think of this. Had a busy weekend and my rose-buying spree continued - placed an order for 6 mins I needed (really needed, not rose-needed) for the front of a large planter from Mountain Valley Growers - an organic rose & shrubs nursery in Central California. They have a small selection of mini roses, all priced at $6.95 each for a 3 1/4 inch pot. They are having a fall sale going on - their only one of the year, and many products (but not all roses) are 30% off. I ordered one each of the following, 6 plants allowed for their best shipping cost per rose. Magic Carrousel Lavender Lace Redwood Empire Renny Strawberry Swirl Torch of Liberty All the above were 30% off - a total of $12.51 off my initial cost. Shipping was going to be high - I knew this going in. But in this case, there are three mitigating factors: 1) The initial cost per rose is low to start with, and the sale makes it better. 2) They are all organic, which is how I do things 3) I do get, for the cost of shipping, the rose in 2 days (reducing heat stress) Also, I do realize that I AM moving stuff from one side of the country to another, so of course it is going to cost money - $29.95 in this case, or $4.99/ rose. The total cost was $59.14 or $9.85/ rose delivered to my house. They do have Ballerina included in their rose selection, though not a mini, and it is priced at $6.95. Since I didn't get Sierra Sunrise, Ring of Fire, or Twister, I knew I would have to come back, so I finished up my order with 6 plants and saved the others for later. Note: I ordered on a Saturday and had a question I emailed them, they got back to me within a couple of hours, on a Saturday, during their only sale of the year. Now that is something! Eden is a rose I have been looking for over the last 2 years, but somehow, not able to find it in stock or something else comes up while placing an order. Searching for this led me to Ebay and Etsy, and at $21.98 and $19.99 (shipping included). I am sure one would have to take precautions against disease/ quarantine the rose for a time etc, but I do wonder if this endeavor would turn out successfully. The Etsy seller states that she is an organic grower as well. And speaking of non-traditional vendors of roses, we apparently have a new player in the game - Wal-mart!. Yes, they always carried the Knockouts and the Parade Minis, and it isn't too much of a reach to go on to Easy Elegance and Drift roses. But I found Lavender Veranda, Cream Veranda, Cl. America, Sun Flare, Zephirine Drouhin, Blanc Double de Coubert (!!), Hot Cocoa, New Dawn, Lavender Meidiland, Blaze, New Dawn and Fourth of July. Well, color me surprised!!! These are all from Hirt's Gardens, and I personally have had trouble growing one of their bulb products, but the good part is, if you did get the rose, you have the return guarantee from Wal-Mart. Another rose that I found while loitering around Walmart.com was Brindabella. Now, this rose caught my eye at the local grocery store (a New England specific chain that places extremely high quality standards on incoming produce and floral stock), and I saw that it was not just one rose, but a new series. Off I went to Helpmefind.com, and see that Mrs. Sylvia and Mr. John Gray of Australia are breeding an entire new series of Brindabella, and the Pastel Tiger looks amazing! I do think the claim of stopping you in your tracks with the rose's perfume in inaccurate, as I walked by a Brindabella and hardly smelled anything. But, perhaps it was due to the most of the blooms being older. I will say this, the thing is fairly floriferous and seems to drop its petals cleanly....See Moreken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
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