Oh one more note- this floor of the home has no storage; so the island we would like to be 48" wide so we have full cabinet boxes on both sides- the kitchen side will house kitchen stuff, the hall side will house games, arts/craft stuff, etc. The master bedroom is just below the living room.

Even if the drawing made sense, the layout doesn't. Please re-post with accurate measurements.

The cooktop on the corner with no landing space or safety buffer to the left is a terrible idea (but I commend you for not including seating directly behind it). The passage between the fridge and island is too narrow, and it doesn't look as if you've accounted for cabinet overhangs, 1"-1.5", so if the island is two full-depth (24") cabinet runs, island would be at least 50"-51", instead of 48".

Thanks for the feedback- yes I did forget about overhangs. The hallway is plenty big (over 50”) so I can just move the island that way if needed; do I have to have overhangs on both sides of the island since the hall side is only used for storage?

Using Pythagorean theory, the walkway between the island and fridge should be 3.9’; unless I’m doing math wrong (which could be likely 😅) is that really not enough room??

You need overhangs on all sides of the island, as well as the perimeter cabs.

A 12" square is 17" on the diagonal, but as we have established, the island will have an overhang, and unless the broom cabinet has an inset door, you need to account for the thickness of a door (if entering from the left). Since the island space is open above hip-height (generally shoulders are wider than hips), it will probably be OK if one enters in the diagonal direction, but there won't be as much space if one is entering parallel to the side of the fridge or island. Forgot to mention--someone standing in front of the open fridge/freezer might also be a factor.

Can you make the island shorter in length? Are you totally against having the sink on the island?

The island can definitely be shorter; and it would be super easy to put the sink on the island because we are replumbing the entire house (it currently has polybutylen). At one point I had the cooktop under the window but that leaves 44” between the cooktop and where the bottom of the vent could go; plus there’s a header over the window all the way to ceiling height so we can’t vent out the wall and the HVAC guy wasn’t certain we could vent out the roof with a straight shot there because that wall is my roof’s lowest point. We can move the island towards the hall 6” or so and still have A 44” hallway. We have lots of room to play with, just not enough wall space 😊

imo, this set up could really use some work. Can't the cooktop go on the wall where the sink is? I'm sure mamagoose can come to the rescue.

Design girl- during the many weeks it’s taken to get to this point, and when I wanted to prove that the cooktop under window was the preferred option to myself, every discussion I searched and read said do not do it. Photo of what I hoped for, but alas our window placement ( other photo) makes it unfeasible I think.

I don't mean to put it under the window. I suppose that could work if you didn't use your stove, but could you imagine the grease build up on the glass. I meant could it go between the windows? Do yo have a single wall oven or double?

Single 30” wall oven, and I also have a 30” warming drawer, and my microwave is a built in 30”

Are you keeping all the existing appliances? Is there a window over the sink?

Any chance of moving/replacing windows, or changing out appliances to something that might work better for your space?

There is a 3’3” wide window over the sink. I have a combination of new appliances I’ve purchased as well as ones I’m keeping: I have a 36” extra deep fridge (existing), a 48” sink (existing); a 27” existing microwave/oven combo I’m wanting to replace with newly purchased 30” slide in oven, 30” built in microwave, and 30” warming drawer (kitchenaid), and my existing 24” KA dishwasher.

What about a cooktop? You seem to be boxing yourself in with some of your appliances. A 48 inch sink is HUGE and taking up valuable real estate on the one wall you have. I fear that if you are not willing to change out some of the appliances to something that will work better for your space, your layout will be severely compromised. I'm in the middle of planning a kitchen reno myself. I've moved the sink to the island and replaced my double window over the sink with two smaller ones spaced apart so the stove can go in between them. Are there any window or appliance changes you'd be will to make.

I have a 36” cooktop. The 27” oven just wasn’t big enough. Sorry I mistyped the sink size- it’s 43”. Still big, but my husband does the dishes and he adored that sink. I’m willing to change most appliances; but we have young kids and eat a ton of fresh food and cook a lot so having larger appliances works well function wise in our home.

Normally I'd want the fridge on the short leg of the L, but with the kitchen being deep and with only one perimeter run, you can pull the whole run out for extra counter space, and use extra-deep upper cabinets. The hood would also need to be an extra-deep model. There is space for a deeper island, or wider work aisle, or both, but you don't want the island so deep it's difficult to reach across to clean. This is a quick layout on a simple grid, so might need to be adjusted:

Good luck with your remodel!

I knew Mama goose would come up with a great plan. She always does.

This has been so helpful. I think I’ve gotten everything I wanted out of my kitchen! I know it’s not perfect. have any ideas of what to do with that little 12” space by the fridge? I’d love to have countertop there for pouring drinks. I guess maybe the best option would be just make it bigger so I can store glasses in the upper cabinet also?

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I’d rethink some of your cabinet/ drawer sizes. Larger drawers/cabinets work way better than a bunch of smaller ones How about trying to center you cooktop ( as much as possible) on the island.

I have not come across those resources- thank you so much; I’ll be doing more homework today!

Design Girl would you center it on the sink, center it on the island, or center it to make the side boxes as large as possible?

@Ashley - I'd center the cooktop on the island. What is the actual measurement of the island. It's marked 11 ft 12 inches which is actually 12 ft so I'm confused. A 12 inch drawer doesn't give you much space. Maybe 10 1/2 inches in the interior. Hardly room for 2 rolls of saran wrap. I also think it would look much better to have your seating on the long side of the island, and not wrap around. You can move the charging cabinet to the other end. There doesn't seem to be more than 24 inches on either side of the sink. Maybe rework the pantry and other cabinet to provide more counter space.

Haha, I just saw the 11’12”, I was a bit tired! This is probably my hundredth redraw. I read thru the guides and am feeling pretty good about this. It does violate the “landing space to the right of the dishwasher” rule, but we have used similar set ups in the past and it works for us. Would it actually be better to switch the dishwasher and trash- trash would be closer to the dining room (which we use many times a day for meals and snacks), the DW would be closer to putting glasses and baking wear away but a bit further for plates. I dont think I’m going to center the cooktop on the island as I don’t want it near the barstool area at all. That little 12” drawer on the end of the island (which is now a 9” drawer) is just to hold dog treats- underneath is open space which will house a 9” deep automatic dog waterer and his food bowl so I stop kicking the dog’s water when I round the island. (Photo of my beautiful service dog). And also photo of original blueprint in case it helps at all- the kitchen and whole living space are indeed on the second story.

Beautiful boy!

Before you get too attached to the layout, I just wanted to point out a couple of things. If you plan to have a surround for the fridge, the air space and panel thickness need to be added to the total width. A 36" wide fridge might end up taking 38", or more, of space, which affects the widths of the other cabinets in the run. Also, if a DW is up against a vertical column (fridge, pantry, oven cabinet), it will need a return panel to support the counter. Return panel could be 3/4" plywood, attached to the cabinet side, or a wider 'return' face frame up to 3" (or more if you need a filler for symmetry or balance). A return panel's width could affect the symmetry in the upper cabinets, if the cabinet over the DW is 24", as you've drawn, and the upper might also need a filler to allow the door open. Good to see you've added fillers in the corner.

This forum is a great place to start research into a kitchen remodel, but I think you could benefit from an onsite KD.

Question: can the space behind the cleaning closet (the area that I'm leaving to make sure cabinet doors can actually open) somehow be modified so we can slide a step stool in there?

Do you mean the 3" gap between the back of the closet and the tall pantry? Will a folded step-stool fit, and will you be able reach in to grip it, to pull it out? You can search 'toe-kick' drawers--I've seen folding step-stools made to fit one of those.

Speaking of the tall pantry--it looks very awkward to use, since you won't be able to stand directly in front of it to pull out the drawers, because of the fridge. I'd leave all that space to the left of the sink for prep, and put a pull-out pantry to the right of the fridge, instead of countertop. But even with counter above, it seems the lower cabinet will still be awkward. The fridge is close enough to the prep counter to use it as landing space. I assume that will be your prep counter, since there is no water source on the island. And speaking of the island, I would use all drawer bases--games and charging cords can be stored in drawers, and items would be more accessible in a drawer than on the back half of a shelf. How will the seating overhangs be supported? I don't see a leg on the corner, but you would need one with such a deep overhang, and probably an apron or steel support system. Make sure the support system is designed to your satisfaction before the island cabinets are installed--we see a lot of owners questioning the island counter support as tops are being installed, or even after the fact. Just a few more things for your KD's list.

Yes- I was seeing the same thing with the pantry area. To clarify my question, can I make the 3" space behind the cleaning closet bigger- maybe 5 or 6", (pushing the whole wall run 6" to the right- and that would also give 5-6" on the island so I'd just make the 24" drawers larger) and that would help give room for me at the two 27" wide pantrys (the "pantry" to the left I'm actually planning to use for foil, mason jars, and baking supplies- the one on the right will be for food. Or vice versa.)

I'm considering changing the cabinets next to the fridge to a 90" tall pantry style also and making it wider to give me more room at the "pantrys", and eliminating my appliance shelfs. I'm at the max length I want on the wall of the kitchen (it's a new wall we are building to whatever we decide). Then the fridge would be at the very end of that run- I guess some sort of panel or really skinny broom closet would need to go there to finish off the look of it?

I know nothing about countertops, so I'm counting on my fabricator and the designer to be able to tell me what needs to be done there. We are using 3CM. I've never even had granite before. I'm also unsure if my "space for water/elec" is actually useful, or we will need to scoot the cabinets apart 3" or so to leave space for that stuff all the way down the island.

I think you need the filler on both sides of the corner, but if your cabinets will be custom-made, you could incorporate a slot the size you need for the stool. This is not exact:

As I said before, you need more space to the left of the sink.

I agree with needing more counter space by the sink. Instead of 2 pantry cabinets, I make one larger one to give you more room on the counter. There is very little prep space by the sink where most of the prep goes on. I think the spot for the stool is going to take up valuable real estate on the one wall you have and it looks odd at best. Can't you put it in the cleaning closet? Mine is in a mudroom closet. Honestly, if I need to get something on the upper shelf, I just crawl up on the counter, or bring over an island chair. Not getting any younger, but I can still do it. I also still think you've go too many small cabinets and your counters get broken up with these little spaces - 24 inches here, 17 here, 12 here. For instance, on the island, instead of 24, 24 and 12 - Do 2 sets of 30 inches deep drawers. Or 1 - 36 inch and one 24. All these small cabinets take up useful space and cost more money.

Great suggestions, here's where I'm at. I bumped the spacers at the corner, probably too much- will it look weird? I had it at 3". I made all the cabinets as big as I could and eliminated excess boxes (thanks for the $$ saving tip!) Made more prep space near the sink (I needed that!) Unfortunately I have lost space to store my pretty hearty collection of spices near the cooktop, not sure what to do about that. The stepstool is pretty important because I still have little kids that love to help cook, they are constantly using the stepstool, but I think I found a solution next to the fridge. I also realized, I have no place for my coffee pot. I think I'll just deal with that and figure it out once I use the space some. Photo looks washed out to me so I'm going to try posting a different lighting below.

That corner space does not work at all. It’s really bad. I’d return to the plan to have that as closet, or abandon the stack of pullouts on the sink run. You seem really committed to having two pantry stacks, but dry goods store just as well in base drawers and uppers as they do in full height pantries. If you keep the corner space in the kitchen, you pulled in more cabinet space there that could account for the loss of the second pantry stack.

Muriel thanks- I really don’t know what else I can do with the corner given the fridge sticking out so far there. i still have it as a closet opening to the other room- which is super helpful as this floor of the home has no cleaning closet in it at all currently.

It's a very awkward corner. I think what Muriel means is forgo the 90 inch high cabinets and instead do uppers and lowers in that whole space from the left of the sink all the way to the fridge. It gives you tons of counter space and the uppers in the corner will make up for the loss of the 90 inch high ones.

The wall ovens could go to the right of the fridge, with an appliance garage in the corner. (The bottom space could still open to the other room for storage/drawers, or skip the appliance pantry and keep the closet.) Then a tall pantry could go on the other end of the run. I wouldn't put the DW in the prep space--keep it to the right of the sink, with dishes stored in drawers on the island.

A thought about your appliance choices. I just replaced my old Kitchenaid double oven. I considered a warming drawer as a “filler” because the new ovens were shorter than the space available in my cabinetry. I thought I would place the warming drawer beneath the ovens. I was told that the new Kitchenaid ovens have a low setting for proofing bread, warming, etc. And so a warming drawer was not necessary. Perhaps you can forgo a warming drawer and place your microwave above your oven, instead. And/or replace the warming drawer with a drawer for storage. Good luck!

It’s definitely a thought. I got the warming drawer to replace my countertop slow cookers; which are often in use several times a week. Anyways, I’ve been so happy with my KA appliances, especially love the oven!

I reread all the comments, took some time in nature, and then came back to the drafting table anew. It seems my desired wall oven is just not happening. My appliances have been downsized. I am not thrilled about loosing my wall oven, but it’s my concession to get the storage I want. My DH is getting his open wood shelving he want oh so bad. I also opened up the main walkway. Gave myself plenty of counter space left of the sink and added the appliance garage (I’m thinking like a bifold door? Thanks Mama Goose for the helpful photos!!) The island is now an L shape. Pantry is still small- but we eat mostly fresh food and I know it will be fine for our needs. Your thoughts are greatly appreciated. (For those that don’t read the whole thread- the dining room is to the right, and Is used several times a day.) The family enters the dining room from the side where the stools are usually, not the kitchen.

Sorry, you need to go back to the drawing board. The L shaped island does not work - Maybe mamagoose can fix things.

No need to be sorry. I knew removing the wall in my kitchen would create issues. can you give me any specifics as to why the L-shaped island doesn’t work? I was actually trying to make a double parallel island but that was just a hot mess 😅 and I hated it, so the L returned- I love the look in photos.