Hood, microwave, induction stove questions in a new kitchen

3 years ago

Here I thought it would be a breeze, move into new house, replace cabinets, countertop, put some tile backsplash and ... Yep...

It is not getting better when you are on a beer budget with champagne taste lol.

Suddenly hubby insists on induction stove top and built in oven. I would like a hood and under cabinet mounted microwave.

We do like to DIY and forums here proved to be a treasure trove. Currently am in consideration for Conestoga cabinets/ love Ikea but am bigger fan of real wood/.

So am looking for suggestions on what my needs might be in terms of hood? Looked at highly regarded VAH seems to be out of my price range. I can consider venting out as rooftop is above if it less cost than ductless. Microwave otr seems to be a no no?

We both cook a lot but do not fry much and use oil very sparingly. I use my Instant pot and Breville smart oven great deal. We do bake frequently. I am planning on summer kitchenette in a lower level to do my canning and preserving, old fashioned fan and open door will take care of that as I can close it out from rest of the house as not to heat.

What would be my best budget conscious choices in regards to figuring out need for hood and how to arrange rest of appliances? Yes, fridge will be replaced and hubby hates stainless steel.

I am considering new fridge in a corner catch all/ there is duct work there so can not be totally open concept. /

Keeping sink and DW where they are, replace stove with induction top, oven built in next to the left with some cabinetry to fill fridge space. Remove cabs from right side of window and do open shelf?

Small set up to sit for 2 from living room side /there is only 2 humans, rest are 4 legged ones/

Corner catch all will have new smaller fridge, shelf with Breville oven on the wall and movable island to add to working space. Where is microwave goes? Wall cabs can be taller but ceiling is vaulted...

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kaseki

3 years ago

An adequate hood insert will stick out as much or more than the present "hood" and thus so will its enclosing cabinet. Less costly and less obtrusive (in my opinion) would be a canopy hood to cover the cooking surface with some overlap. Duct can go up or it can go out the hood back if that is an outside wall and the outside is not a sitting area. A duct cover cut to fit your ceiling may be needed.

Inserts, like the metal hoods, have to have entrance apertures that overlap the cooking zone to capture the rising and expanding cooking plumes -- assuming that there are some.

If you don't care about performance for cooking other than your own, and your cooking is always low odor with low velocity cooking plumes free of grease, and the heating source is induction, then less than a 90 ft/min uptake velocity will likely do. How much less is proportional to how realistic that cooking description is.

Suppose we analyze for "half" performance. 45 ft/min through a 2 x 3 ft hood. Then the air flow requirement would be 270 CFM requiring most likely a hood blower rated at 400 CFM. A six-inch duct to outside would suffice. (If in your municipality there is an MUA code at 400 CFM or above, go with a slightly lower blower claim.) You will still need MUA of some sort for the hood if operated at full power to get the desired flow rate.

Mesh filters may be sufficient vs. the more expensive baffles (if real baffles), but require consistent cleaning. Dishwasher safe is important for getting timely cleaning.

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Helen
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
Just a heads up that a wall oven and cooktop can be surprisingly expensive. I knew I wanted it for the ergonomic advantages but I didn't realize how much more it would wind up costing me - luckily I was using savings for the remodel so I didn't have to worry about running out of money - I just laughed at the renovation gods of mischief and wrote the checks. :-)

I remodeled and installed a wall oven and cooktop to replace the original electric stove.

In general a good quality wall oven and cooktop are more expensive than a comparable quality stove.

You will need a special cabinet for the wall oven which tends to be an expensive piece of cabinetry.

Depending on the age of your house and state of electricity, you may need to upgrade for current Code provisions. In my jurisdiction each major appliance has to be on its own heavy duty circuit and I need to upgrade my electrical panel which was a $6000 surprise.

Also chances are you will need to pay someone to do the installation of the wall oven as it isn't simply plugged in the way a stove would be.

In terms of a hood, I went with an insert because I had a copper hood but my cooking is pretty similar to yours. I can't remember the last time I actually fried anything and I saute with a minimum amount of oil. My home is not particularly air tight so the last thing I worry about is exchange of air. I had a crappy over the range combination microwave/hood for years and I often didn't even bother to turn it on and never had terrible issues. Of course now I have a high quality hood which is definitely overkill for my minimal venting needs :-)
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Muriel Thompson
3 years ago
Didn’t you get a lot of good ideas in your last thread? My recollection is that you got a lot of useful feedback. But I can’t recall what your questions were before—have the issues changed?
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lindalana 5b Chicago
Original Author
3 years ago
last modified: 3 years ago
Helen, exactly that! We went today to Ikea and I was thinking to myself, here I am fussing over cabs pricing but they listed their built in appliances/ fridge for same price as kitchen cabinets... oops.. unfortunately it is like that with my hubby,everything fine and next thing you know we are getting new gadget I never heard about... until today I have not heard about induction stove...

Ergonomic reason for higher oven placement might be exactly what will sell it to me...

would you be able to clarify insert for the hood?

June, funny, I work in healthcare and frequently hear "Diagnosing themselves with Google"... I get it, gotta respect people need to educate themselves though... I agree will get a KD but do not want to be a client from hell that changes opinions every 5 minutes. At this point I am all about educating what makes me happy and what is it I will want to be my priorities... Considering style that we cook do I really need to look into 3k hood option? My concern that ceiling is vaulted and cleaning it up at that height might be a challenge if I go with low key option for ventilation? Would induction stove use help?

Muriel, glad you remember my first post! Yep, you guys gave me some great suggestions on starting my journey and some cool imaging to think about. For sure will be utilizing some!

I went to several places and realized that I really do not like painted furniture and white kitchen just does not make me warm and fuzzy. I still like light furniture and light colors and love tiles. Looking at others kitchen and finished projects makes me realize that I really want clean counters with very uncluttered look so all my gadgets better find other places than countertop.
Helen
3 years ago
I have a copper hood that is a decorative element in my kitchen. You buy the actual mechanical portion which is inserted into the decorative hood but it otherwise operates like a normal hood I purchased the insert and the specifications were sent to the fabricator of the hood.

The wall oven is to the left of the induction cooktop and I have a microwave drawer below the wall oven.
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Cheryl Hannebauer
3 years ago
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lindalana 5b Chicago
Original Author
3 years ago
Kaseki, thank you so much for detailed informative answer! I believe I got the gist of criteria I should be looking for. This part of the ceiling has no attic and behind the wall is a bathroom which I assume has some ducts. Hubby is skeptical that looking for those ducts is valid idea though.

It takes me about 6 months to get thru bottle of olive oil but some periods I am more adventurous and make crepes and pancakes frequently lol. We are plant based eaters otherwise. Does it make any difference if wall oven electrical or gas?

Helen, your kitchen is beyond words! I am sucker for quality wood and tile work, love your design on doors and stain color. I am pretty minimalistic shaker style person but this new house is funky and has its own character.
Helen
3 years ago
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Arriving at the stain was becoming a bit of an issue because I could see what I wanted but somehow the cabinet maker was giving me samples that weren't quite right. We were all standing around where I had stored some furniture I was keeping during the remodel and I saw that a chair was the stain I wanted - he took the chair back to his shop - returned with a stained mini sample which I initialed.

ETA - Almost no one has a gas wall oven. In fact, most people pay extra for the dual fuel stoves which have gas hobs and an electric oven below.
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