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Comments (24)Those reading this thread grow plants in media that range from sticky, extremely water retentive, and low in oxygen when they are saturated, to media that remain friable (uncompacted), highly oxygenated, and hold NO perched water when they are completely saturated. We cannot simply blame poor plant performance on watering habits, as I illustrated upthread. Neither, can we consider plant/water relationships without considering the media. When we blame poor plant performance on over-watering, what are we saying? On one hand, we might be saying that we are applying too much water to the soil, but is that really accurate? I don't think so. I think it's much more accurate to say the soil is holding too much water. Doesn't this then, shift the responsibility for root rot issues and poor plant performance to the media instead of the hand controlling the water can? The argument might be raised that all you need to do is water less - problem solved .....right? Not so fast. What happens when we water less, in small sips? Salts accumulate in soils from the fertilizers we apply and, as this happens, plants have increasing difficulty absorbing water and the nutrients dissolved in water from the soil. This is stress, and it assuredly affects the plants vitality and diminishes potential growth. Yes, you are able to work around this issue of accumulating salts by eliminating them from the soil with thorough flushing - frequently, but that is a time consuming process and several extra steps. Since the reason you need to flush the soil is because it is too water retentive in the first place, flushing it places the plant at risk for root rot - unless you take still additional steps to make sure that doesn't occur - like depotting the plant and placing it on newspaper over night so the water saturating the soil can be wicked into the newspaper and evaporate. So it sounds good to say it's a watering issue, and not a soil issue, but we can clearly see that it is not a watering issue. Lets look at the other end of the soil range for a moment. Consider a soil with particles that are large enough that the soil holds no water between soil pores. The descriptive terminology would be that it 'holds no perched water'. You can water this soil every hour of every day, yet it holds no water between it's particles. It does. however, hold plenty of water INSIDE the particles - water plants can easily access as they need it. As the plants access this water, their roots are totally surrounded by plenty of air - even immediately after you water to saturation. Even if you water again 10 minutes later, all the water drains from the pores between particles and air returns to the entire volume of soil. How do we need to treat plants in the heavy soil? We need to water them carefully, because if we over-water the soil remains saturated, anaerobic (airless) conditions prevail, and root function/metabolism suffers, the plant is stressed and grows with reduced vitality. While, and because we are watering in small amounts to prevent soil saturation, salts are accumulating and additionally stressing plants. This occurs in every planting you cannot water properly because the medium is too water-retentive. How do we treat plants in the porous soil? We water them until about 10-15% of the water we applied comes out the drain and move on to the next plant - no worries - repeat in a few days. From what I offered, it's easy to see that soils and watering are inextricably related, and that it is actually the SOIL that dictates how you are able to water. Roots die when subjected to saturated (anaerobic) conditions. They don't all die at the same time; they die incrementally with the finest of roots - the workhorses - dieing first, larger roots following finer roots as the length of exposure to anaerobic conditions increases. This process begins quickly, even if you can't see it, within hours of watering, and doesn't stop until the water in the soil is used up and air returns to the soil. At that point, the lost roots begin to regenerate. This is very stressful, and extremely expensive to the plant in terms of energy outlay. The energy the plant must put into root regeneration would have went to blooms, fruit, more leaves, branch extension, or an increase in biomass. It simply is bad for the growth process. These problems are entirely eliminated in soils at the other end of the spectrum, so 'no', we cannot so easily say that it is over-watering that causes these issues when in fact, they are directly related to soil choice. Heavy (water-retentive) soils are convenient and readily available everywhere, and there are the strategies I touched on to help you cope with the difficulties encountered when using them, but the price of convenience, as you see, is often measured in plant vitality. Al...See MoreReally Cute - Petite Pies in Canning Jars
Comments (13)I saw a request on CL last summer looking for the 4 oz jars, I only had 4 at the time but contacted poster anyway about this idea. I don't know if they ever made pies in them, but she said they did apple crisp and no problems with cracking. Of course they used new jars (got a good bulk price at HW store since didn't get any off CL). They also decided to use the 8oz jars instead: "Just a basic recipe, 8 oz. It would have been even better if they were served freshly baked because as they sat they shrunk down so only were 1/2 to 2/3 full. But we served with whipped cream so no one seemed to mind. As a test for my own use, I froze some jars first and then took out of freezer for 10 min placed into cold oven then baked at 375 for 30-35 mins." I take it to mean she let them thaw for 10 minutes on the counter before putting into a cold oven, so they were thawed/glass was room temp by the time the oven got over 200 or so? Denser foods (like meat?) would take longer to thaw and might tend to keep the glass too cold - best to thaw in fridge before baking? Also, just based on my experience baking DD's cake in a jar last year (didn't can it, just looking for a "tower" shape that would hold thin batter), they tend to be a bit soggy - I would think pastry even more so than cake, and frozen (even if thawed) and baked in the same glass container even more so? I've only ever baked frozen pies in foil pans, so this is just a guess on glass. FWIW, I started in a cold oven too. Now, if you could find small foil pans (I know I've seen various shaped ones, don't know about round), that might work, though not as cute. I did think that it might be cute to use the 4 oz jars for custards, so they'd be in a water bath in the oven. Might try that next time I make pumpkin pie....See MorePies in Jars
Comments (9)caboodle, That sounds adorable! I'm not a big pie fan either so that could be a fun way to make some for my husband. I was thinking on a slightly simpler variation --- I'd had a plan to make some apple crisp kits for gifts. Can apple slices in very light syrup, and give them away with little baggies of crumb topping minus the butter, with instructions to drain the fruit and put in a pan, cut butter into topping, and bake. I also thought I'd keep some for our use to bake up for an easy sweet fruity breakfast. Only when I finally got a chance to try this last weekend, my apple slices got too mushy by the time they were heated through to can! I ended up having to cook out the water and can them as sweetened applesauce (I don't usually sweeten my applesauce, so it's not something I'd have ever set out to can). The apples were a variety that I've found able to stand up to baking quite well in the past, but there were a number of factors that probably contributed to their demise. (HUGE pot of them, so they took a long time to heat through; not as fresh as I'd have liked by the time I got to them; and a hot August, which, the farmer I bought them from told me later, left them softer than usual.) I decided to go with the freezer for the quick-breakfast-crisp apples; I got some Ida Reds an will freeze them in some little individual-serving baking dishes, then remove them and FoodSave them, so they'll be in the shape of the dish when I take them out to cook, and we can eat them right from the same dish, no fuss no muss. Will come up with some other gift. Z...See MoreIndividual Apple Pies
Comments (11)Here's the dough recipe DH usually uses when he makes empanadas, which are baked, not fried. (By the way, it sure is hard to follow AnnT with a recipe. Those little pies look soooooo good!) This recipe comes from the 1987 edition of the "State Fair of Texas Prize Winning Recipes, A Collection of Recipes From the Sesquicentennial Food Contest Winners." The recipe was submitted by Judy Sutton. This dough actually goes with her Chocolate Pie, which I insist DH make along with his apple pies. I've put his variations in parenthesis. I've also followed the crust recipe with an attempt to describe how to form the empanadas. Unfortunately, DH was very vague. Cheese Pie Crust: 1 cup grated cheese (DH uses sharp cheddar, but the recipe doesn't specify) 3 cups flour 1 1/2 teaspoon salt 1 1/4 cup butter-flavored Crisco (DH uses butter instead, but it produces a different texture of pie crust than shortening) 1 egg plus water to make 1/2 cup liquid 1 teaspoon vinegar Mix flour, salt, cheese and Crisco. Add vinegar to egg and water mixture and pour into flour mixture. Mix with hands until dough forms a ball. Yield 3 pie crusts. To form the empanadas, roll the dough out and cut into approximately 6" rounds. Place your filling in the center of the round (Frustratingly, DH doesn't measure, and couldn't tell me how much he puts, but not so much that it squishes out the sides.) Fold the round over into a half moon shape, and crimp the edges to form a tight seal. Bake until brown. As for oven temperature, Dh says he looks up pierogi recipes to determine oven temperature. I wish I could have given more definitive instructions, but DH is allergic to measuring and clocks, and couldn't tell me the specifics. Sorry. He just wings it each time, and it usually turns out delicious. Sally...See More- 5 years agolast modified: 5 years ago
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