Oh you guys are just warped! You should sell all you possessions and move into a yurt on the plains. Think of how much longer the earth will last for Mr. Gore because you won't be causing global warming with all of your destructive behavior. It all depends on your perspective, mine may be different than yours and I'm not as PC tactful as some around here, but what you do not hear me saying is that you are any less of a person or your view is 2nd rate because you are not as smart / rich / or / beautiful as me because you didn't apply yourself in school / business / community to be able to afford trinkets that are not available to everyone. Nor did any of the built in, superautomat, warped, yuppie scum folks call out any of the plebes for being pedestrian for liking their Mr. Coffee. This is America - the place that has the OPPORTUNITY for a middle class guy to become the World's wealthiest person or a minority become The President. Apply yourself and you can pretty much have whatever you want.

CVA 4066 - water leaks from drainage valve when making a coffee, I replaced valve and same issue, am I missing something? Thanks Also maintenance not mentioned to ensure better tasting coffee; cleaning the coffee grind shoot with compressed air and vacuum.(weekly) Removing the Silver Miele water dispenser and rinsing (weekly) Completely disassemble the grinder unit and removing old grinds (more technical) (quarterly)

I just hate seeing broad statements on the internet that later get taken as gospel because "I saw it on the internet, it must be true" Well, my agenda is different then. I just want to see folks ask the tough questions. It bugs me when I see people calibrate requirements using brand line offerings essentially saying brand-X (Miele, Bluestar, other) offers said feature therefore I must need it; Brand-Y doesn't have that feature and therefore it is a lesser-being. Fahrenheit-451: internet was evolving from an academic purpose to a universal purposesome saw the light, others fought it until the reality set-in But I'm not advocating fighting "it", F-451! I'm actually advocating emulating the academic and asking the elemental questions: what does this feature do? why do I need it? why is it better? etc. Academics are actually a tough-sell because they look for answers to questions like the above and loyalty to *anything* or *anyone* is not in their genetics. There is a famous aero-astro prof. out of a top-ranked engineering school in the NorthEast who would always say of any research proposal you went to him with: why is this good? Why should you do this? And then: When will you know you're done? It was maddening at the time but it is an excellent principle for any sort of research venture. Aerospace or appliances. (BTW, the outcome of all of that was, that knowing the questions to ask is the singularly hardest part of any venture). obviously embarking on a service based system not unlike Mercedes, and BMW did when they realized that they were in need of a different approach Alright excellent! Here's my experience with BMWs. I have had BMW-1 for several years (excellent car) and we have just bought BMW-2, so I obviously like their products (BTW, we did look for more than just BMWs when looking for car-2 *grin*) This life-altering parts-saving, pre-emptive service policy however, ... not quite so life altering. I've had inconvenient failures on my car about as often as I've had inconvenient failures on the Toyota (the one that is being replaced by BMW-2). Furthermore, every time I've taken the car in for service or repair, I've brought it back (within the week 90% of the time) for post-service relief for some sort of resetting of the system because not only had their on-board system not detected the original failure, even in the shop, they can't even quite calibrate a newly reconfigured installation. Ask about the sensor-based, anticipatory service paradigm and basically the answer is that they collect what data they collect, process what data they can process, but ultimately upkeep is simply "not that different" from another car, as per the "BMW service advisor". Basically, this is a hard problem and just collecting data isn't a palliative. A lot of the time, it is hard to know what to collect, and for most of the rest of the time, it is hard to get a sensor rigged where you need it and sending the data back to the computer to store it (i.e. comms). Now, we've bought a second car from them, so obviously we like the products they sell and like the service etc. they can offer. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that their service paradigm - as data intensive as it may be - is at the end of the day all that different from any other. One of the biggest fallacies of the day is that high-technology=data-on-a-chip. NASA will tell you and the military will tell you - okay, they won't admit to you but they will tell some of us - that they are drowning in data they've collected and don't know what to do with. There are terra-bytes of data collected that has never been looked at by any program. Modeling failures is not that easy. It is still an active research area to see what to measure and how to identify when a mechanical, electrical, or electronic subsystem has failed (failure detection) is failing (modeling failure modes) AND THEN to identify just what part it is that has failed or is failing. And to the best of my knowledge, that is being done in academic labs, not in engineering companies: ie. it is basic research as opposed to applied research Anyhow, this is at least many OTs from the subject. Miele is an excellent company. Go forth and prosper with their stuff, but just dial down the rhetoric.

We have an old Miele cva 615 from around 2007. Machine has done well over 10,000 coffees (99% espresso) over that time period (it has a little counter in one of the submenus). Around 10 years in the pressure pump went out, but this is actually a very easy replacement you can do yourself with a $30 part you can get on Amazon. There are videos online to show you how. Have had no other problems. My machine has always made excellent coffee, and I prefer it to all but a few coffee shops I have run into overseas over the years. It's coffee snob level coffee to be sure. The only other machines I have experience with are a Wolf built in unit and a Breville counter top unit. Both made good coffee but I still prefer the Miele. Matter of personal taste of course, but I can say more objectively that the crema on the Miele is a tighter, richer, more consistent foam compared to the others I have seen. Excellent aroma and flavor. Not sure if it's better pressure or plumbing or the way the machine packs the plug after grinding-- but the end result is just plain delicious. My wife and I are building a new house and a new Miele unit is a must for us. We're putting it in a wet bar area off the kitchen. TT