children required to go back to school

rob333 (zone 7a)

I'm comforted to see others understand the severity of the horrible decision to send children back to school. There are indications that what looms ahead are lasting effects, from even minor infections, and that they'll bring it home causing widespread spikes of infection.


I'll post this here instead of the reposted thread since I can't find any humor in what we face, and give those of us who are forced to risk it all at the behest of others a place to express those kinds of thoughts.


Where am I with it? My son thinks he can do this, and it's his choice. He knows the proper way to go about things, I can only hope the others with whom he interacts will also go to the lengths necessary to avoid infection. It's a really small campus, so he might have a fighting chance.


Where are you with it all?

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Annie Deighnaugh

Infected children have at least as much of the coronavirus in their noses and throats as infected adults, according to the research. Indeed, children younger than age 5 may host up to 100 times as much of the virus in the upper respiratory tract as adults, the authors found.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/health/coronavirus-children.html

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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

All the major school districts in WA state will be starting the school year the same way they ended.......with distanced or remote learning. This has got to be a huge burden on all involved - the educators and how they present their class material, parents who still need to be able to tend to their kids 24/7 jobs or not and the kids themselves, who miss their friends and group activities and the normalcy of routine.

But under the current state of affairs, it is the only practical and safe road to follow.

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graywings123

If the schools could do as much testing as the White House and professional sports are/are going to do, then, maybe.

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nickel_kg

Mostly I'm grateful my family doesn't have kids in this age group right now. Imagining what we would have done if DD were in grade school, middle school, high school... It boils down to how active is the virus in our immediate community, and what type of mitigations the school system was taking. If we'd not been satisfied with either/any of those factors, we would have kept her home. DD, after about 4th grade, turned into a fairly disciplined student. She could have adapted to on line or homeschooling methods. Quite likely we would have talked with the parents of some of her friends, and tried to arrange a small cohort of kids with parental oversight shared among us.

Our local school system had a plan to bring kids back for two days in-school per week. But due to covid numbers NOT decreasing here, they pivoted to on-line only for the first nine weeks. They said they'd been working on how to improve the on-line experience. I wish our paper would go into more details.

My sympathies to parents having to navigate the best way through these times.

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Annie Deighnaugh

I was talking to my cousin yesterday who is concerned about sending her teenage son back to school in the fall...she has a number of pre-existing health conditions that would make his acquisition of the disease potentially fatal for her. Other cousins have chosen to home school instead.

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rob333 (zone 7a)

My two issues? He could skip this semester at university; it's not like he's graduating this time. I have underlying conditions. I still don't go to work in person and I work in medical research! We are going fast and furious to find the ways out of this, and I'm still not there physically. So he may bring it home to me.

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Annie Deighnaugh

Very interesting piece on TRMS: https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

See: University scientists offer a way out of coronavirus testing.

(Sorry I can't link directly to the video clip)

Ali Velshi interviews a scientist at UMich who is working on pool testing for cv of students as a way of identifying who has the disease while avoiding the resource constraints of individual testing. Would be wonderful if we could roll out such an approach nationally.

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nickel_kg

rob I know it's not what you want, but is there another home your son could go to during school breaks? Or will his university encourage students to stay in town, vs traveling and transporting the virus back/forth?

For parents -- or teachers, school administrators, bus drivers, etc anyone involved in education -- balancing personal health with a desire to help kids -- must be so incredibly hard.

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rob333 (zone 7a)

I appreciate the thought the nickel. I can't think of any place he could go... that he wouldn't be a frontline worker's house. My siblings, his dad, etc. :( I can't talk sense into him, even though he really doesn't want to do this either, but he's a grown man and I will not put my foot down. It may all be very different in our household in the next few months.


I really worry for the small children, teachers, and school administrators facing idiotic decisions that are forcing them into this situation. Nine weeks isn't enough. One semester is likely not enough. We've got a very long road ahead of us.

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nickel_kg

Rob, there's no doubt your son loves you more than anything and will do his best to keep you safe. And he's a smart young man.

The saddest thing to me is to think: if most of us wore simple cloth face coverings, washed our hands, and kept away from breathing other people's air, nine weeks would be plenty to knock the virus down to a relatively manageable level. It's so simple.

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maddielee

The link below has the tracking info for School reopening plans. As you will see, it varies by state and by districts. And the info changes often.

Our daughter (K teacher) has received her request to teach remotely. She still does not know if she’ll be teaching from her empty classroom or her home.

One granddaughter, rising HS Junior, will be home with remote learning. The district gave students choices, online or brick and mortar. About 50% chose online.

The other granddaughter will be starting her Sophomore year of College not back on campus, but home with online classes. Her school is open, but all of her classes this term are online. She, with her parents, made the hard decision not to move her back to her college town. She is sad, but understands the reasonings.

I predict that most schools here (Florida) will close within the first month of brick and mortar classes.

https://www.edweek.org/ew/section/multimedia/school-districts-reopening-plans-a-snapshot.html?override=web&fbclid=IwAR1HP-WbJ_-ITMBFMCR2s8sKbnPBXRAVKnq0LoOAODu-vgGvOAwbiYwYWxU

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arcy_gw

No one can decide for another but given the likelihood of Universities closing up again within a few weeks I don't see the logic of bothering to start. There are many on line classed through each school or totally on line colleges. The students at the end of the line, with internships etc to do are the ones I feel for. To be so close and maybe not get done would be frustrating. Each community is different as this virus is not evenly spread geographically. I don't see why our high school that is offering both distant and in class isn't running with the on line but with kids in front of the teacher for those who choose so if we shut down again there won't be an interruption in learning. Seems like we would prep for pivoting vs waiting until it happens.

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happy2b…gw

This is a very trying time. It has definitely been a roller coaster ride as the school systems and health departments continue to pivot between in person and virtual instruction. Parents select an option and then the opening plans shift. Here parents could have chosen all virtual or hybrid. Then the county pulled back and is offering only virtual. The vacillation is very disconcerting.

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happy2b…gw

All my grandchildren will learn virtually at the start of the school year except for oldest who is a college freshman who will attend an in state school. All his classes are in person or a combo. He is ready to go and knows how to take care of himself. As a lifeguard this summer, he was trained on how to prevent the spread of the disease which hopefully helps him stay healthy. He has to take a Covid-19 test prior to moving into the dorm and the typical protocols of masks and temperature monitoring are required.



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Alisande

I'm appalled that the government is willing to sacrifice the lives of children and teachers in order to make someone look good on election day.

The following is from a TV affiliate in Georgia. I haven't seen it on national news yet, but I hope you have because more people should know about it. The last paragraph is rather significant.

RABUN COUNTY, Ga — A CDC report released Friday reveals that hundreds of campers at a north Georgia YMCA camp were infected with coronavirus in just days before the camp was shut down.

Channel 2 Action News has confirmed that the report documents COVID-19 cases at the YMCA’s Camp High Harbor on Lake Burton in Rabun County.

According to the report, of the 597 residents who attended the camp, 344 were tested and 260 tested positive for the virus. The camp was only open for four days before being shut down because of the virus, and officials followed all recommended safety protocols.

In total, the virus attacked 44% of the children, staff members and trainees who attended the camp.

The CDC said that what happened at High Harbor shows that earlier thinking that children might not be as susceptible to COVID-19 is wrong. According to the report, the age group with the most positive coronavirus tests was 6 - 10 years old.


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happy2b…gw

My daughter whose son is a college freshman called me last week with much concern about having a plan if son gets sick. The college has not informed parents about plans of action if a student becomes ill with Covid-19. The school is a 3 hour drive from home.

We figured out that she would rent a large car like a Suburban. He would sit in the back away from the driver. Luckily we own a second home that has two houses on the property about 2 hours away from our primary home. He would quarantine in the little house cottage at the riverhouse while a family member lodges in the main house. The little house is furnished 1 bedroom, kitchen, 1 bath with a little front screened on porch. Food, meds can be left at the door and there are plenty of windows, so we can check on him. The only downside is the wifi is iffy, but that can be improved. There is medical infrastructure there, but home is within a reasonable distance and people head to our area for serious ailments.

Hoping and praying we do not need to use Plan A. and that all our families and loved ones have a healthy school year.




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maifleur03

Depending on the school robb and I am making an assumption that your son is living in on campus housing. Contact the school now and see what they do for/with any students that do not have a place to go during breaks. Some schools have enough international students that they keep a small area open for them but do not advertise it widely. Second unless he must live on campus consider finding him off campus housing. With the number of students not returning you may find something. Ban him from coming home. Both of you will hate that but perhaps knowing this now he can make other arrangements throughout the school year.

Try to be realistic while allowing him to make his own decisions. He will come in contact with people carrying the virus as there is no way in any campus situation he will not. The hard part of being realistic is denying him the ability to come home. If and when he shows up on a whim tell him you love him but he has to leave immediately.

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adellabedella_usa

Danged if you do and danged if you don't.


My kids are college and public school age. The college age one is scheduled to go back shortly. He's been working remotely all summer. He needs to be there for some of the research next semester. I've been sewing masks and getting him prepared as much as he can. He's been home most of the summer with limited outings. Fortunately, his roommates are like him and are mainly staying home too.


My high schooler is my social one and most likely to bring it home to us. School will be online for several weeks. Extracurricular activities have started in person for some. There is a modified plan and they have reduced the sizes of the group and have a plan for keeping them distanced. They will be mainly outside and distanced with no physical contact. As much as I want to protect my child, she needs some interaction with others and this is her chance at putting in work for scholarships. It's junior year. Her instructors she is working with are really strict and it's a good group of kids for the most part. We will keep an eye on it, but I think the current plan is doable.

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arkansas girl

Looks to me like, our local grade school district will give parents a choice of remote or going to classes at the school. They will have to sign up for remote learning classes. I think this will last until someone tests positive and then they will close schools back up until further notice. That's just my prediction.

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rob333 (zone 7a)

There are no breaks this year. All the universites here (public and private) have them attending from late August until late November, and not returning until January. Final classes and exams are to be virtual.


Personal opinion, they won't make it to November.

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Lucille

Where am I with it? My son thinks he can do this

Youngsters that age think they are invincible. But making their own decisions is what makes them responsible adults. Rob, you are obviously a thoughtful person and I think your son will be like you. Should he see cause for alarm at the campus I believe he will rethink his choices.

I am sad for the families who have politicized the safety measures, how will their sons and daughters be able to make an informed decision?

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rob333 (zone 7a)

These are tough times we're living in. I wish everyone safety and good health. I appreciate all the participation on this thread. It means a lot.

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phoggie

One of my daughter’s school is starting back to school as usual on September 8. The other’s school is starting August 21st using the hybrid method...half of the class on M, Tu...other half Th, F ..zoom on Wed. to start. What a nightmare for single parents who must work and must get child care. If the kids are put together at a daycare, they are better off staying at school with the same group of students. Teachers are required to wear face shields and masks for students.

My college students...all are starting as usual August 17th with masks required. Classes for the semester will end at Thanksgiving and tests will be given on line.

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arcy_gw

REQUIRED--are they REQUIRED to return? Our students were given the option. Schools are mandated to educate ALL students. That being said if a family declares they are too vulnerable to attend IN the building the school has no choice but to provide alternative education for the children. Rob I heard the universities were hoping to keep the schedule you mentioned. I do not understand them. If COVID is thick then they will have to close sooner. How they think they can arbitrarily decide all will be well until November does not make sense to me.

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nickel_kg

If I had a kid K-12 I'd look up "responsible home schooling .org" and familiarize myself with my state's laws. Just in case.

Arcy, colleges are especially problematic. I think they are hoping/praying, but more importantly, planning and working to making it through to the traditional Thanksgiving break. The local uni is preparing to teach the heck out of these kids regarding how to be a safe community member in a covid environment. Great! They have testing and contact tracing plans, and dorm space reserved for quarantining. Will it be enough ... maybe, maybe not. Do they have a backup plan if it gets so bad they have to close early? that, they're not sharing but I would expect the top level administration has ideas.

It will be "interesting".

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Ava

If I had children, I would not want them in a classroom. My late husband's daughter lives with his parents. I do worry about them and would prefer she studied online, but it is not my decision to make.

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Elmer J Fudd

My expectation is that school boards and leaders who go along with in-person school attendance will soon find out that wasn't a good idea. Those advocating this must either be brain dead or blinded and guided by ignorant political dogma.

Time will tell.

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Annegriet

I agree with Elmer. In person school is going to have a lot of problems. One school district I read about is encouraging teachers to go outside. What if it rains? Where will all the classes go if the fields are being used by gym teachers? How much time is lost transitioning outside and back inside? What about active shooter protocols for outside? These do not seem like well thought out plans.

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Judy Good

Tough decisions ahead for a lot of parents. So many variables for everyone. So glad I am not in that situation. I honestly do not know what I would do, if put in that situation. Best of Luck to all!


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moosemac

I live 35 miles north of Boston. Boston has a plethora of colleges in and around the area. I am expecting a significant uptick in COVID cases as college students return to college. My children are grown and out of college so I do not have to deal with the isssue of them returning to shcool. Given our family health situation, if they went back to college in this environment, they would not be coming home for visits without a 14day quarantine first.

With regard to public school in person attendance, if I had kids of school age, it would be a cold day in h...ll before my kids would be attending. My grandson and his mom live with us. He just started back in private Pre-K. His class has 8 students and 3 teachers. The regimen the shcool goes through every day with disinfecting, the procedures and protocols for attendance and interaction are stringent and student or parent non-compliance results in expulsion. It's not perfect but I am reasonably comfortable with the set up.

Contrast that with what will happen in public schools where every rule has an exception so no one is slighted. I don't blame teachers for not wanting to go back. They have no power to protect themselves. There are factions of folks who don't believe in social distancing, let alone masks. I live in a very small town of 800 residents and there were 6 huge parties in town this weekend! WTH How are the students and teachers in public schools going to protect themseleves from secondary exposure brought on by risky behavior?

When are people going to be willing to make the sacrifices needed to get this crisis under control? A year out of your life is better than being dead.

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bpath

Our high school Administration was asked to come up with a hybrid plan instead of all-online. They did, and attached the cost of having class on campus that meets the state school board requirements. It’s about $1,000,000. They did not mention the cost of heating the outdoor spaces come mid-October, that may have been included but not as a line item presented to the community.

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patriceny

I fully understand everyone is exhausted from dealing with this, and a good portion of our country would like to pretend if they just are allowed to live a "normal" life, then all will just magically be fine.

However the motto of my life has always been that it is far better to grasp the situation as it really is, than to persist in delusion...no matter how reassuring or self-satisfying that delusion may be.

Cases are exploding here in the states, and numbers are ramping up again in countries across southeast Asia where the number of infections had drastically tailed off. Covid is not going anyway anytime soon. It's just not going to happen.

Then you look at all the nasty local hotspots which arose due to simply one confirmed case. Just one case can set off a wave of infections, particularly if that one case occurs where there are large numbers of other people in close proximity.

I just don't see life returning to "normal" any time soon my friends. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.

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bob_cville

An image I came across. It would be more useful it it stated where the statistics were from:


> My expectation is that school boards and leaders who go along with
in-person school attendance will soon find out that wasn't a good idea.

I agree. In many cases it seems that the school boards are meeting via zoom calls, for safety reasons, and deciding that its perfectly safe for the students and teachers to resume in person classes.

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