I agree with your worry. The orderly growth isn't there on either of them. Things are happening that shouldn't. The second one might be save-able by cane removal. On the first one, the problem seemed contained to one size of the cane which means it may not have gotten to the roots yet. You're developing a good eye for watching. (It beats being oblivious.) Ann

Carol, I don't think you could go wrong with Dee-Lish. Its ADR designation should make it an unlikely black spotter. It's too soon to report on BS on my Dee-Lish, and I do spray, but I plan to test DL and pass over it when spraying its neighbors to see what happens. It could be quite winter hardy, obviously irrelevant for you since you container grow your roses, but for me it's critical. You know, I am finding ADR roses for the most part are about as BS proof as the Knock Outs, but winter hardiness is very variable from variety to variety. I believe the test gardens in Germany on average range between zone 6 and 7, and the roses tested, again I only suspect this, could be grafted, so winter hardiness could be partially attributable to being grafted also, not just based upon on the scion's winter hardy attributes. Grown own root, the ADR winners could be less winter hardy. This point, I need to further investigate. My Earth Angel is a wonder: no blackspot, no winter kill without any protection, great flowers and scent. My Pink Enchantment, black spot free, dies to the ground WITH winter protection. Could it not die back over winter in Germany's warmer zone test gardens, but dies back big time in my colder zone garden? Both Earth Angel and Pink Enchantment are ADR winners. Questions, question....that's part of the challenge and draw of growing roses. Moses

Both of mine survived this very mild winter. There was some dieback on both, but not much. A consistent snow cover would have been better. Both have grown and leafed out and set buds, but too early for blooms. The new growth is distinguishable because it is deep red and shiny. I'll be thrilled if they're as floriferous as last year. I need this deeper pink in my garden. The color is just a little deeper than Leo da Vinci. Moses' recommendations never fail. Mr. Moses, if you're reading here, welcome back. You won't know what to do with yourself, having been in pain for so long. I'm praying for the speediest recovery on record, and the best gardening year so far!

I like Dolly, but I just don’t see her in a pot. The plant is not so bushy, and the bloom is enormous, so there is no sense of uniformity, which for is more important for a potted plant...it’ll be this twiggy thing with a few big neon orange spots. She is indeed very fragrant. You won’t have to worry about her getting outsized, she is rather a runt. Many of the HTs I planted the same time as Dolly are now 10x bigger that she is.