Annie, I would suggest that you would have received even more kind words & wishes if you had not gone gonzo political and dipped to borderline paranoia in your comments.

Congress voted for the stimulus and the IRS is in charge of dispensing the $$. IMO, you are wasting time & energy laying awake & thinking that the President and Secretary of the Treasury are plotting to prevent you from collecting.

One other thought for the day: Be very, very happy that you were not an indigenous American when smallpox decimated the native population of the Americas 3-400 years ago. (Seems that a lot of people overlook that pandemic.)

Well, that I can't help--I don't like #45 and think he's the worst thing ever.

Anne - you have a very short memory

Anne, I don't think anything of this magnitude can be accomplished without some glitches. Just this afternoon, I saw a news article of a young man who wanted to withdraw lunch money from his checking account and saw the balance was over $5 million. The IRS had deposited that much to his account. An honest guy, he reported to his bank and the IRS immediately. The result was they froze his account until they could straighten it out. No lunch ? ;0)

Last year I had over paid a little and had a small refund. This year I owed a bit. It wasn't much and I paid it end of March, filing to get it out of the way even with the July extension. We haven't received a stimulus check either. I'm sure one will come. I don't know the reasoning.

Morz8, if you paid then you need to go to the website and input your information, including a bank account they can send it to.

Kathsgrdn, Thanks. The IRS should have it from 2018, but I'll go to the website and make sure all is in place. I assumed this early it would be one busy website.

As a consolation award, those who don't qualify for the special payment will receive an autographed photo of the president and will be enrolled for future payment rounds, should he be successful a second time to send people money on his own, just because he wants to. Remember to vote in November!

I made it up to be sarcastic. I know you know that.

Haha, yes, I get your sarcasm. :>)

We've not received a Federal tax refund in over 35 years but we do get SS. It's not clear to me whether we will get a direct deposit or a check.

jrb451, you can go to the IRS website, put your information in and add a bank account for them to deposit your check.

I just checked mine and it says I'm eligible but the page will update when they have a deposit date.

Just gotta ask Chi, since you're comment is that I should be working does that apply to other retires here also?

My standard reply to 'do you work' is: "If you are asking if I am gainfully employed, the answer is 'No'. But, yes, I do work."....while waving my battle-scared hands. fingers and broken fingernails in fronts of their face.

@jrb451

I'm retired, get Social Security and haven't had to file taxes for a few years.

I went to the Non-Filers: Enter Payment Info Here tool and this is what I found:

It seems to be just a matter of time. :-)

"Just gotta ask Chi, since you're comment is that I should be working does that apply to other retires here also?"

raye, chi can speak for herself but I think her question and my comment about the benefits of a career were triggered by your saying earlier:

"my hubby makes enough that I have no reason to work."

What did you do before you retired?

Yes, Raye. We need to know what kind of work you did. And please post your social security number so we can find out more about you.

marilyn, it has nothing to do with any interest in anyone's personal information. Not at all. Rather, it's about trying to understand the source of or reasons for the attitude and point of view.

I'm sorry if anyone thinks it's otherwise.

Good ones Ci_lantro &Marilyn! I was just wondering why Chi was persistent on singling me out and saying I should work since like many others, I'm retired.

Question ducked. I wonder why?

I wonder why?

That should keep you busy today, Elmer. Wondering.

Here are a few suggestions:

The answer may be:

• Classified Information

• Subject is in Witness Protection Program

• Subject worked in the underground economy

• None of Your Business

Just an FYI, you may check back to the irs website and check the status of your payment again, our information is finally showing up today.

Some checks are being put in the mail today, according to the noon news report.

cilantro, you left out an option for "I don't care". I was not alone in trying to understand the circumstances of someone with often odd or extreme attitudes. Nothing more or less.

Oh but I left plenty of blanks for you to fill in, Elmer. Just to keep you busy. ;-)

I have not gotten my check yet. I got my SS check so they have the info, guess it is one more thing trying to make me learn that all things come in time. ( but I want it to hurry up and come)

I. too, would like to know why Chi keeps harping about people not working, and why she has chosen to make Raye in particular a target.

Also, I can't see how it's anyone's business what Raye, or anyone here who is not working, did before they retired.

Those of us who are not working are not just sitting around, doing nothing, twiddling our thumbs and using up air. Most us who are able have productive lives. We're also supporting the economy.. We're spending money on clothing, food, household items, medical supplies, pet food, etc., and probably paying a sales tax on some of it. Remember,we have more time to shop than those who are working full time. I'm sure most of have some health problems, so we also help health care professionals and workers keep their jobs.

Sometimes, we need to look at the whole picture, instead of one part of the picture.

Woodrose - not only that but we are the ones that invested money that companies use a capital to expand.

Ci_lantro - love you list, here's a fun one to add, Federal Whistle-blower...

Game set and match to Texas Gem for spending the time to be explicit to highlight the hypocrisy.

I've tired of the hit and run tactic, those who spew nonsense and think the recollections of readers are short. People think how they think, even if opinions aren't well informed.

Judging from the parking lots at Walmart, Lowe's and Home Depot there are plenty of people who don't fear being exposed. One young gal who works in a local feed/garden store pleads on a local forum for people to please stop bringing kids in to look at the animals and browse, putting the employees at risk.

Contractors, who would be going great guns right now, and their employees are sitting on their hands, straining at the bit to get back to work. Looking for odd jobs to earn a few bucks. A grass cutter can mow your front lawn, but don't try to build a patio out back. Restaurants doing takeout to try to stay afloat.

Yes, people think how they think. And a lot of people around here are thinking they'd love to get back to work before their business tanks. And things are not the same everywhere. Diversity.

Thank you, Texas_Gem. That's exactly what I meant. It's not about whether someone works or not, but their expectations for everyone else during a pandemic.

Chi - your opinion seems to be that you are fine with a crashed economy, people suffering from losing their jobs, people suffering from isolation, people suffering from lack of medical care, people suffering from crashed investments, people suffering from losing a business they built, etc.

My opinion is that as other places as Sweden and several US states are doing there are better options for dealing with the situation. They are protecting the most vulnerable but allowing minimal impact on the economy. Are there deaths, yes, but it's a pandemic there are going to be deaths regardless.

So the question is - would you prefer to prevent all Covid deaths with a absolute lock-down and have deaths as a result of the lock-down? Or would you rather have some Covid deaths and not have deaths as a result of the lock-down?

I agree with the second because unless you are willing the permanently shut down the country the virus will be reintroduced through travel starting the lock-down process all over again. This shows the futility of the first option.

Trailrunner D

Hot Rod all you do is get on the site and put in your direct deposit info. It takes less than 5 minutes. You will then not have to wait till you get a paper check . c

LOL - no. That's not how it works. We haven't paid our 2019 taxes yet because we always wait until the last possible day to give the US government even MORE of our money. So they're delaying us, but basing our refund amount on our 2018 income.

So Raye, you already asked the 'which would you prefer' question elsewhere on KT and received plenty of replies like mine, below. I think it is sort of sad that you are running around in different threads trying to find at least one person who agrees with you.

Which would you prefer - a small percentage of people dying from the disease or massive numbers of people dying from the results of the shutdown?

A false choice, which is a favorite debate tactic of those who just want a win but don't want to actually think about what they are saying. Thinking people realize that there are other choices available.

This is a case of the cure being worse than the disease.

A thoughtless scare tactic. The disease can get pretty bad, whereas cooperation and thought will find ways to re establish commerce slowly without a huge death toll.

Raye, perhaps you have been hanging out in the drama infested mudslinging forums where people try to win by short sound bites. That isn't going to work here. KT has numerous thoughtful people who check facts.

But Elmer said it better: I've tired of the hit and run tactic, those who spew nonsense and think the recollections of readers are short.

Raye Smith My opinion is that as other places as Sweden and several US states are doing there are better options for dealing with the situation. They are protecting the most vulnerable but allowing minimal impact on the economy. Are there deaths, yes, but it's a pandemic there are going to be deaths regardless.

From Business Insider:

Sweden has nearly 10 times the number of COVID-19-related deaths than its Nordic neighbors. Here's where they went wrong.

Sweden, which has yet to order any lockdown amid the novel
coronavirus pandemic, has seen 14,777 COVID-19 cases so far, and 1,580
deaths from the virus.

The virus has been more nearly ten times more deadly in Sweden than other Nordic countries.

Norway, which has half as many people, has seen 7,127 cases, and just 181
deaths, and Finland, which has a population similar to Norway's, has
seen 3,868 COVID-19 cases and 94 deaths.

Charts released by Pantheon Macroeconomics show that Sweden's cases have yet to plateau, while Norway's case count appears to be on a downslide.

"Chi - your opinion seems to be that you are fine with a crashed economy, people suffering from losing their jobs, people suffering from isolation, people suffering from lack of medical care, people suffering from crashed investments, people suffering from losing a business they built, etc."

I'm not sure where I've ever said anything like that. My point has been consistent and simple - it's not right to push others into virus exposure when being unwilling to do the same. That's it.

I watched someone last night that suggested that people who disregard the safety of others and they cause deaths should be charged with manslaughter. I thought it was a very good idea.

I don't understand the protests. The signs--"my body my choice"? What? Really? And, sure folks have a right to die but they don't have a right to take the rest of us with them. Finally, I suspect that many of these conservative protestors also value the sanctity of life. Do these folks also support assisted suicide/medical aid in dying? There seems to be a big disconnect. I am all for protest in the form of phone calls, writing your representatives, etc. but not at the expense of others. I agree with Maifleur--disregarding public safety should be a chargeable offense.

Whether you want everything to open to get the economy back up or you want us to keep hiding in our hidey holes...let's be real here, the economy is going to be in turmoil after things begin to open back up! We will experience a DEPRESSION, one of which this country/world has never seen before! This is why people are so itching to get back to business again. People will be homeless, homes will be foreclosed on, businesses(some of them) will be gone forever, unemployment will be sky high...etc etc etc...

You know, I think I've had a change of heart. Let's lift all restrictions, let people go where they want, follow the President's moronic advice. That way, even though there will be a downturn, fewer people will be alive to compete for the scarce jobs. Reduced production will be adequate to provide for the needs of a greatly reduced population.

This country was headed for a Recession or even a Depression even before the virus hit China. While I do not like using the stock market as an indicator as bad as last year hit so many businesses it would have happened. Businesses were not affected directly but the companies that they would have borrowed from to expand or even keep the doors open would have needed to tighten borrowing guidelines. Companies that are more seasonal do borrow money with the expectation of paying it back at the end of the season.

Except that it would put a strain on healthcare personnel who are already mentally and physically stressed I too have been thinking that simply opening the world for the people that want to return to "normal" would solve part of the world's population problem. These Open Uppers are not just confined to the US.

You all think a Depression is some sort of a joke?

Annieg, you don't understand why these people are protesting because it makes no sense whatsoever. They are likely so used to listening to the "roilers" of a certain persuasion that they are not thinking for themselves AT ALL. Who, in his/her right mind, would protest for the right to get a sometimes-deadly illness and pass it on to family members? They bring to mind the picture of lemmings jumping off a cliff....

"You all think a Depression is some sort of a joke?"

No, of course not. Would you rather live through a Depression or die?

I certainly see the lemmings jumping off the cliff during all of this insanity!

We are already seeing an increase in suicides!

The biggest group of lemmings jumping off a cliff I know of are the idiots ignoring public health guidance who are out and about, going to stores, visiting family and friends, and not staying home. Infecting themselves and others.

It helps if you read the history of the financial collapses to help understand the commonality for many of them that lead up to the various depressions. While the 1929 collapse followed by the 1930's depression is mostly what people are aware of there were others that were just as bad throughout the world. My comment was about seeing a repeat of history. The ones just prior to 1900 through the one in 1905 caused major social and economic problems. Before people were making a decent wage for the time. After people were working for less than a dollar. Some areas that was a dollar a day not per hour.

Stupid: