Larsi do you live in Europe where you can have a washer with a 5000W heater installed?

@ Larsi - blush! LOL! :)

Congrats on the Little Giant pair - looks great! I knew you'd be back to Miele one way or another. :)

Yeah....Sshrivastava, Miele is kind of in my DNA. LOL. We have 7 Miele appliances in our kitchen & two Miele vacuums, so I guess I really do love Miele!

@ Tideman 59. We live in California. Miele Professional washers have a 5000w on board heater!

@ enduring....Cement platform was fairy easy. Cinder blocks were laid on their side, and then filled with cement. Once dried, colour was added to smooth cement, and the platform was cemented over, smoothed and made "pretty"...and it dried. LOVE the platform!!

larsi_gw, I was very happy for you until you mentioned that you live in California. Gushing about "lots and lots of water" is rather offensive to me as I save water from the shower warm-up to water the thirsty plants in our small yard. I hope you will pledge to use minimal water in your new (gorgeous) washer until the drought passes.

fillmoe....The Little Giant Miele is still NOWHERE near even a new "he" toploader washer, in terms of water usage. It is still an incredibly energy efficient, water smart machine!!

We have GPS linked sprinkler systems to only water when absolutely needed, we removed ALL our lawn, we installed the most advanced TOTO electric toilets, we have low flow shower heads and we have over 150 solar panels (we have a negative electric bill).

So, honestly I find your comment a little offensive about me wanting my clothes properly rinsed!

Larsi: I figure with the size of the Elux vs Miele you are probably still using the same amount of water or maybe less. If you put a bucket full(example) into the Lux and the same in the Miele wouldn't it be deeper in the Miele because of the tub size.? I figure that is why rinses seem deeper? Correct me if I am wrong. I don't see or figure how you could be wasting water in the Miele.

larsi..can these things fit a king size comforter in them? Nice machines but they don't specify cubic feet just pounds. Thanks.

monika2024...I have washed a Tommy Bahama CA King size in a "traditional" smaller sized Miele washer and now in my Little Giant/PW6065 Pro washer...perfect!! Both come out great, although the Little Giant is somewhat larger and seems stronger during wash tumbles and spins.

I do not think a Full, Queen or King thick/poly filled comforter will fit in any non-commercial Miele machine!

The Miele is 2.08 cu.ft.

Alex...My Miele, PW6065 cannot be 2.08 cu ft. Miele told me it is 2.6 or 2.8. I used to have a "std" Miele washer...and this Little Giant is for sure bigger, noticeably bigger!

If it were 2.6 or 2.8 cu ft I'd be considering it instead of the Asko which is 2.83. But the Miele USA professional site says 15.5 gallons, and the Australian site and the Norwegian professional site say 59 liters.

@ suburbanmd.....I've used an Electrolux 4.3 cu ft 60 & 70 Series (excellent machines!!!) washer for almost 3 years, and before than was the Miele 4 cu ft W4842 washer. Also have had a Kenmore huge front loader and tried a huge Samsung for a month (huge, but god awful)......

The PW6065 Little Giant has tackled EVERY thing I have and had washed in MUCH, MUCH larger machines and The Little Giant has done it as well, if not better. Do not let the size scare you. It is way more Giant than Little!!

I LOVE it!! It is sincerely more than I had hoped it would be, and has surpassed any and all expectations or preconceived ideas.

Yes, 59 liters or 2.08356534 cubic feet. The extra depth over the residential models comes from the bigger bearings etc.

So now that you have used it for a week, what exactly makes it better then the lux? The superb temp control IMHO would be one, and I assume there is more water since this isn't exactly an energy star rated appliance. The capacity is anemic for the money no matter how you spin it. I'm quite use to my 5cu ft a Kenmore which can wash anything and a lot of it with outstanding results. So what would be the benefit of peeling off 4 bills for this Little a Giant?

@ rpsinfoman...The Electrolux 60 & 70 Series washing machines are phenomenal units, and I have nothing but praise and recommendations for them!!

What still has me floating on, or above Cloud 9 about the Miele Little Giant PW6065 is, yes the SUPERB temp control. Cycle temps are listed with exact temps, ranging from 85F to 200F (can set to C, if desired). Spin speeds are listed with exact RPMs, ranging from 0-1400.

Accessing Supervisor Level, I have activated Water Plus, and also under water levels for all Cottons programs, raised the water an additional 35mm (1.5 inch). Of course, this is still nowhere near the glorious water MamaPinky gets in her new SpeedQueen, but for the size wash drum in the Little Giant..you can see and hear the water during the wash cycle and during the rinses (you can set/choose 2-5 rinses)....the water is NOT invisible as in the Electrolux. Rinsing in the Little Giant, the water soaks thru the clothes, and the water level is visible up and over the rubber boot, onto the glass window!!! I have not had laundry this well rinses in years!!!

The Miele build quality and materials used are phenomenal. Toyota & Honda make GREAT cars. They do everything right, last long, are reliable and are built very well. Sit in one, slam the door, touch the buttons, turn the dials. Now, sit in a Mercedes S-Class or BMW 7 Series..do the same things as in the Honda or Toyota. This is what the Little Giant feels like. Everything is overbuilt, over engineered, designed, tested and marketed to last 25-30,000 operating hours. Miele parts are Made by Miele in Europe. Quality control is actually controlled. Servicing is done thru and by Miele....no outsourcing to someone who has never worked on your machine.

I have owned and used front loading washers with a drum size between 4 and 5 cu ft. and while the Little Giant is about 50% smaller...it has handled everything I have put in it...CA King sheet sets, CA King blanket and full loads of laundry (10-12 shirts, several pairs of pants or shorts and 10-14 pairs of underwear and socks).

Is the Little Giant expensive? OMG....yes. Is the Asko XL machine a little bigger and a lot less money? Yes! But, I cannot recommend Miele enough. We have 7 Miele appliances in our kitchen and 2 Miele vacuum cleaners, and they have all been between 95-100% flawless for many, many years of operation. Our oven needed a temp repair once, and the vacuum needed a new belt one time...covered by Miele!!

Yes, the commercial quality is what you are paying for. As far as programmable functions go; the current W1 generation is actually quite similar in terms of adjustable water levels and so forth. Here's one doing the first rinse after the steam sanitary phase.

The W48xx washers are a little over 3 cu ft, 3.07 if I recall correctly. 4 cu ft was the IEC measurement, which basically said that it could hold the same amount of clothes as an agitator washer with a 4 cu ft tub. IEC measurements were phased out in the US in 2011.

With that out of the way, the real question to me is, how did Miele get to the point where they only sell small machines in the US? In the affluent suburb where I live, German luxury cars are very common. Why don't those owners have German laundry appliances too? Supposedly Miele's experience with the 48XX series "proves" that they can't sell American-sized appliances here, but did they really try? Maybe they had the wrong ad agency. Or they had the right ad agency but didn't listen to them.

Larsi- without doubt the Mercedes of washing machines. The design, style, quality of materials is what makes Miele, well The best designer appliances built! While maybe not so much mainstream in North America, a niche market exists. Americans are cheap with a throw away mentality, and few would pay the price to own. But it's like anything else you buy, you get what you pay for. In contrast you can also go the same places in a cheap pair of shoes as opposed to an expensive pair. Both get you to the same place. Good Luck with that purchase and enjoy!

@ fillmoe - I believe your angst is misplaced. You should be directing your frustration at your legislators for not properly planning for this crisis. Or maybe you can point a finger at agriculture and industry, which are the primary consumers of water in California and who have not had to cut back. Point yet another finger at the water companies that are penalizing those who have been using very little water all along... There is no shortage of water on planet Earth, just a shortage of good resource management and intelligent people to deal with the issues. The last thing you should be doing is trying to shame someone because they appreciate a higher water level in their front loader. Some perspective may be in order.

Hello ,

My Miele washing machine has died after 14 years and it would be too costly to repair. Being German I love my German products and so I am leaning towards a Miele again. I noticed that the website only offers two models,with the lower model not going as high in the temps ( which I use for my whites) and also they took the 1600 spin cycle out :( My old machine had a 240V box.Would the little giant which I think is really expense but once you have had Miele it is difficult to switch, be able to be plugged in into the existing 240 box?

You might be ok as-is, you might need a new outlet on the same wiring and breaker, or you might need new wiring and/or breaker. Post a picture of the old outlet and we'll see what we can tell.

@larsi- If you don't mind my asking, what were the issues you had with installation? Any with putting in the new 220 line? TIA

NO issues at all. We had a small set of Miele units before we had our Made for USA and Canada Miele W48xx and T98xx series, so we had 220 hookups for both already there!

The Little Giant washer though does require some twist lock 220. So, all we had to do was change the outlet in the wall. Home Depot had it. The part is listed in the manual and on the Miele website.

Thank you!

HI Larsi, we are looking at the little giants as an option in our build. I'm nervous about if it will be big enough for our family. This was what we had decided on when we started building (our build is taking forever!) but now I'm worried the size isn't big enough. Our salesperson said that it is just a little bigger capacity wise than the 1623 and 7634 so we are better to save our money and just buy the residential set. She also said that we could easily fit a king size comforter in the models I listed previously. Is this your experience with the little giants? And if so, presumably I could fit that in the 1623/7634? One thing my salesperson said is the fuller the drum the better because the washer is designed to use the clothes friction to clean. Do you find this with your models?

The electrical requirements are confusing to me to...did you need to make changes to be able to use the little giants? I should also mention we are in Canada, so what I could purchase in the states compared to in Canada is different (we are only an hour from the border so crossing the border to buy isn't an issue...but our crappy dollar value does make it much more expensive right now!)

do do you still love the little giant Slalom? I know it's on,y been a few months since you last posted...just wondering if you would upgrade to that series still

Spring Quapp, I can't answer your questions for Larsi, but when I was at the Miele show room in Chicago this fall, I was told that the Little Giant is sized to work with king sized bedding and the regular series (like I have, 3033) is sized to work with Queen Sized bedding. I believe the height and width of both machine models are the same. Where the size increases is in the depth. The Little Giant is deeper front to back. I have had no problems washing my Queen sized bedding in my 3033. I have a down queen sized comforter that I wash without problems. The cycles can take longer than the old school washers, so turn around is slower. But I struggle to get enough towels and other clothing to fill a load in our household of 2. I have an old 28 year old top loader in the basement that I use for DH farm clothes, so that impacts my ability to gather a load for the Miele at times. I LOVE MY MACHINE, and I would have gotten the Little Giant if I had the $ and the depth needed when I remodeled the laundry area.

I have to laugh at your auto correction typo in your post above. "Do you still love your Giant Slalom?" I can't wait to hear how Larsi responds to this skiing question, lol.

Slalom loves his Miele Little Giant!!! LOL

I wash CA King sheet sets with 4 pillowcases each week, and there is room to spare. I wash semi-thick CA King blankets, and no problems. I wash thick Queen comforters with no problems. I do not think a thick CA King comforter would be a good idea. I mean....you could for sure make it fit, but it would not be able to tumble or move around.

Yes, you can really pack the Little Giant, but I found leaving some room, allows the clothes to tumble, rise and fall onto each other. Better cleaning, no wrinkles and fluffier clothing. We are a family of 3, with a VERY active 9 year old....and there has not been a single day, where I feel I need something bigger. I had a 5.2 cu ft Kenmore Elite front loader and a 4.3 cu ft Electrolux front loader....and my Little Giant does and handles everything!!

We previously had Miele 220V washers and dryers, so we had the electrical. We did have to change the outlet, as the Little Giant washer requires a twist-lock plug....but it was cheap and available at Home Depot.

I CANNOT recommend the Little Giant enough! I look forward to each time I use it, and under Supervisor Level...the options and settings are mind blowing!!! DO IT! ;)

Haha enduring! I really need to spell check more:)

Thanks Larsi:) do you know the difference between the little giants and the 1623/7634 is? And would you mind telling me about the twist lock piece you had to install? Our salesperson said we would need to install a transformer, I'm wondering if that is what she is talking about...the electrical requirements are really confusing to me and I want to make sure I have everything straight before I buy...only to discover they won't work without major work

I know the little giants are slightly bigger, and I know the obvious little giants are a commercial machine. The salesperson that we've been dealing with said that the 1623/7634 would be fine for us and we would love it because of the ability to heat the water. My biggest concern is absolutely size! I do a lot of laundry just because of the size of our family, just factoring in clothes I do a minimum of 12 loads weekly In the set below. If I need to do a larger comforter I have the set below to depend on, but the majority of our laundry will be done on it second floor in the set I choose to buy. Buying the largest set I can for the space is pretty important, however quality is a priority also.

I was was able to find a 4800/9800 set off kijiji (a classified website) for $300. The washer needed some work, but a couple of service calls and we have a set that we love for our basement. My only complaint is when I wash clothes with sticker decals on the front is that they stick together. I have to pull them apart and they develop little lines where the stickers start to break apart. I love the sanitize cycle...and the set is quiet compared to our previous set!

I should also ask if anyone has an opinion on if the little giant set would be good for a second floor install with the high spin speeds? Larsi, I noticed you have a concrete pad for them to be on, was this done for this set? Our set up would be stackable. Would you recommend raising them?or would it make the dryer too high?

i also noticed that these are available on the Canadian Costco website. does anyone know if you can get the Miele warranty if you buy through Costco? I've always loved Costco for their return policy if you aren't happy, but our salesperson has gone over and above is answering my questions and getting me informationive requested. I'm confident that if I had problems she would do everything g she could to make sure we were taken care of...my biggest concern is that she is almost 3 hours from our home.

The volume of the Little Giant is 20% smaller than the one of the 4800 - depending on how much you fill into the larger drum, this might matter to you or not. If you regularly only fill the 4800 3/4 full, you probably won't notice a difference.

The Little Giants, like all Mieles, require a sturdy floor. These are no-nonsense machines when it comes to spinning. The tub is heavy, the overall construction durable - these machines spin more unbalanced loads than the plastic-fantastic, uber-sized residential washers that have balancing rings etc.

Spring, I believe if you buy a machine in the US, you won't be covered by a warranty. I think this because I recall being told that if I bought one in Canada, it wouldn't be covered. I really thought about that option when I saw the Costco option. I'm a far distance from the border too.

You can get your wood joist floor reinforced with blocking in between the joist. These are pieces of wood that go perpendicular to the joist and are inserted and fastened every little bit, along the length of the joist. This really stiffens the floor. Also having the set against a load bearing wall. You don't want the set in the middle of a joist span because it will bounce the floor like a trampoline. Talk to your builder about reinforcing the joist in your laundry room.

larsi_gw, so what do you do to wash a thick king size comforter? I just can't do the public laundry thing - only time I use them is for dog/cat bedding. Why do europeans have to make things so small! AArgh! and apparently the larger on is discontinued now.. boo!

@Monika,

The machines are not small. I think most people don't sort their clothes so they appear small. I usually have about 10 loads of laundry to do once I am done sorting. For example a laundry session would include loads sorted along the lines below:

• Sheets (sorted by color)
• Towels
• Kitchen Towels
• Underwear (sorted by color)
• Bras (Sorted by color)
• Clothes (sorted by color and fabric - sportswear usually gets it own load because of impact on softer cotton clothes)
• Reusable floor mops

Good luck!

homepro1: you're right here's my sorting:

• towels (dont do dish towels- use paper)

• darks

• lights

• jeans/coats/jackets etc

• bedding

• unders go in special pouches with darks /lights

• delicates

…..but clothes I'm not worried about- I'm worried about not having to go to the laundromat to wash my king size comforters/down comforters.

I contacted miele to see what their max capacity is and what model can hold the large comforters. We'll see- might be a deal breaker.

I use down comforters that I cannot launder myself. I send it out for laundering twice a year. I use a duvet cover that I replace every two weeks. The duvet covers are larger than Kings and I wash these with two king sized flat sheets that are also larger than normal and 8 pillowcases in a W3033, W1926 and W1215 without a problem. I also wash my king sized mattress pad in the machines without a problem.

What type of comforter are you attempting to wash? The hardest part will be getting the comforter into the machine if it is fluffy but once water hits it, the comforters are usually smaller than they look. Are these cotton, polyfill or down comforters?

I have done a quilted king matelasse blanked cover in my 3035. It handled it well.

King comforters may be too heavy for the spin, depending on the type.

Perhaps a relative has a machine that will handle the big stuff.

Gabi is right: we use covers on our comforters all the time, thus the comforter only needs occasional washing. If you have an appliance store near you that carries Bosch washers, you could try loading the comforter in there - these machines are about the same size.

My mom does the same thing with her down comforters, just washes the duvet and airs them out. But she's from the "old country" and I was raised here and like to wash just about everything. Plus my husband has allergies so they need to be disinfected in hot water.

Bettbezüge! Toll!!! :)

Abdecken...Ich weiss nicht. Ich will sie anschauen!! :)

A down filled should be washed 3or 4 time a year. I use duvet covers and they get washed weekly just like sheets and pillowcases. Lol I'm one of those Americans that wash everything LOL

http://www.beddingcare.com/faqs-2/

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