Kitchen: Wolf 36 Gas Range w/ Griddle & Wolf v Dacor Range
mudroomaddition
4 years ago
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why wolf range over dacor? (36')
Comments (11)I personally find Dacor's customer service to be seriously lacking. I have had their products in my own kitchen before, and thought they performed well, but had a client (I'm a designer) with a terrible experience. She paid for the beautiful new Millenia oven and only after 9 months and 3 replacements did she receive one that worked and had no defect. The products are good, but it was ridiculous how bad the customer service experience was. It was also silly that only my involvement as the designer brought any kind of resolution. I didn't sell the product, just fought on my client's behalf. Numerous phone calls over months were made. The cs staff is very skilled at commiserating and sounding concerned, but bad at offering any real resolution. I think other threads on this board would back that statement up. They finally do the right thing, but it takes a lot of buzzing in their ears. I'm no longer recommending their products to clients....See MoreWolf cooktop/oven or Wolf 36" range
Comments (29)Thank you all for the additional information. The main problem I'm having is I have to decide ASAP since the cabinetmaker will not start until I nail this down - he's supposed to start Monday and we're already 8 days behind schedule. The original plan was the Viking+Electrolux, and wiring has been done already. My original original plan was a cooktop + double ovens, but that didn't work out since there was no other place for the MW. So it was suggested to put the second oven under the cooktop. I convinced myself this was better in case either broke, I could replace each easier/cheaper - this may not be true. A couple days ago I thought, why not a Wolf range (since I was revisiting the whole thing) --- but with them being so expensive, and having to redo electrical --- I thought maybe it's easier just to go with the original plan. I'm glad you sent the info on the Bertazzoni since it looks like that cooktop would actually work with my oven -- I was worried I'd be limited since the Wolf cooktop plus some others will NOT work above the Electrolux oven. So I do have some options there if I need to replace.... Thanks again!...See MoreOnce again...Thermador v Wolf, 30" gas range
Comments (16)Adding emphasis to what friedajune said, consider these points. First, the large oven in a 36" range takes significantly longer to fully preheat than one in a 30" range. Second, it will dump more heat into your kitchen while operating, particularly in convection modes. Third, a 36" Thermador or Wolf range is much more expensive than 30" range. For example, scanning AJMadsion's listings, I see that 36" Thermador models cost from $1700 up to $2500 more than the 30" models. That does not count add-ins for the extra ventilation costs. Fourth, will you often need five or six burners going at once to make all that extra expense worth the inconvenient loss of counter and cabinet space? If the extra two burners would be only an occasional convenience, then it will be worthwhile to consider some much more flexible and much less expensive alternatives for those times when more burners might be used. For example, consider getting a 120v portable induction cooktop (PIC). Good 120v PICs can be had for less than $100, such as this one. Even a high-end PIC, such as the Vollrath Mirage Pro, costs only a fraction of the price difference between a 30" and a 36" range. Easily stored out of the way when you do not need it and can be placed for use elsewhere, too, which may be handy when the kitchen is crowded at holiday seasons. If your contractor is thinking you might want the 36" range with a griddle setup --- say, for pancakes and such -- consider instead a separate griddle. Separate ones will be significantly larger and easier to clean than the ones on 36" ranges, and can be stashed out of the way when not in use. For example, you could look at a non-stick electric griddle such as the Broil King (around $100 and highly recommended by Cooks Illustrated). The kitchen in my house is smaller than yours and I prefer a stove-top griddle that can sit on my gas stove under my range hood when I want to use a big griddle and stashes out of the way when I'm not using it. For that, I recommend looking at this stove top model by Demeyere (around $120). I've found it does an excellent job of straddling two gas burners without hotspots, It is very heat efficient (which mean less waste heat to deal with and maybe eases the burden on your OTR MW if your are keeping it. Plus, the polished steel of the Demeyere cleans up very easily even when doing messy things like burgers. So, lots of additional reasons to stick with the 30" range size. For venting over a pro-style range, I'm going to disagree a bit with friedajune on worrying about melting an OTR over a 30" pro-style range (unless your contractor hangs the OTR way, way too low.) No disagreement over not using an OTR over a 36" range but for a 30" range you might find these threads from 5 years ago helpful to thinking through what you want to do: http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2306961/which-otr-for-an-nxr-range http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2251626/aargh-which-30-gas-range-otr-micro...See MoreCleaning Wolf 36 gas range GR366
Comments (13)Hannah, I don't necessarily clean it after each use. It really depends on how messy it's gotten on any given day or week. I might leave it go if I know I'll be using the burners that night or the next day, and can just tackle the cleaning afterward. It was a trial and error thing early on, as to how to clean/what to use on the burner pans so they wouldn't look all smeary. At a Wolf Showroom cooking demo, they had recommended the Perfect Kitchen spray, which worked well. But I'd started mixing up and using my alcohol-water spray on my granite counters, and then tried it on my SS and on the burner pans, and it worked well, so I just started using that. I do clean with a sponge first if it needs it, but if just lightly "soiled" or dusty, I just use the spray. My grates don't look new or pristine, and some of them are pitting (rust spots), but they aren't covered in food residue or anything (I do wipe them occasionally, or as needed, like I said). They just look well used, which for cooking grates, is just fine IMO. I actually have another set or two in my attic (long story), so can always swap them out at some point....See More
jalarse
4 years agoWe have a Wolf 48” with griddle and grill. The grill is 1/2” steel plate. At the time we bought it Viking was 1/4”, so we went with the Wolf.I have always treated it like a cast iron pot. Season it well. No it does not shine and look pretty, but then nothing sticks to it either. When we first got the Wolf I was cleaning the griddle and grill all the time. What a pain that was. Now I just season it with cooking oil and it’s fine. Olive oil all the time is a mess to clean up. Mine is all gas and it’s 18 years old no bells or whistles. It just plain cooks. Don’t like the electronics. High heat and electronics don’t play well together. Best of luck to you in your decision.
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wekick
4 years agoDo you use a griddle now?
I would consider an overlay griddle instead of a built in. The one I have(Royal industries)is 15”x23” and is about 50% bigger than a 2 burner built in. I have a Wolf range. It can be bigger because it is made of heavy aluminum which has much better heat transfer properties than steel so heats more evenly. It comes in bare aluminum which seasons over time and nonstick. With a built in you have about half of the power, somewhere around 15K BTUs. You can set the griddle anywhere you want or you have the flexibility of using all six burners. I have picked up my griddle and put it in the oven. You can take it to the sink to clean.
These are Royal Industry overlays. They are pretty inexpensive.
http://royalindustriesinc.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4_22_48
Chef King makes a similar griddle out of steel.
With the built in, you have a thermostat so you can repeatedly turn it in to a certain temperature and get that amount of heat.If you go this way, look how the different brands are built. Wolf uses an infrared burner to get a more even heat. The steel is twice as thick as BlueStar.
BlueStar uses this burner on the RNB griddle.
Thermador uses an aluminum griddle and an electric element.
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