Exactly, Scott. And you will note that the 'Arthur Chadwick' clone was awarded first in 1974 to Chadwick himself. That's the difference between the 'Arthur Chadwick' clone, and the 'Orchid Jungle' clone which was never awarded for anything although dealers usually enter their best for judging to make the plant and its progeny more valuable. But to open another can of worms, Chadwick sells the 'Arthur Chadwick' clone as a mericlone (meaning there are lots of plants out there) for $75. He also sells a division of the original 'Arthur Chadwick' for $350. So back to the 'Orchid Jungle,' if it's just an unawarded mericlone, it doesn't have any special value over that of any other unawarded mericlone of any other orchid in the marketplace -- and they're a dime a dozen -- unless you truly love this particular clone's flower or feel a sense of history worth more than the $15-20 or so that a mature pretty unawarded Cattleya species division is worth.

Hi....good to talk to you again. I do grow 'Violette', but the photo of 'Russeliana' from HMF was one I took at the Montreal Botanical Garden a few years back. I do think that 'Russeliana' will be hardy for you, though, since they grow it up there. I just got a baby one of it, but it will be a while before it is a rambler, that's for sure. My 'Violette' started as just a teensy cutting that I rooted. It took a few years to get going but that's typical of ownroot roses in my climate and its in a partially-shaded spot that no one else wanted to grow in. Mine is considerably hardy but can have some cane loss in a severe winter....but mild winters like this past one it had no winterkill to speak of. I love it because in my soil it is a deep, dark purple...darker than a Concord grape. Mine stays healthy and disease-free without any spraying, but I don't know how it would be somewhere else. A bonus is that its not a thorny rose, so when you work around it or wander too close it doesn't stick you. I have heard that Russeliana is often found in old cemeteries so my guess is that its pretty hardy and easy to grow. Any roses I have found growing in those conditions haven't had much care or culture and survive because they are a really good, tough old rose. I think either of these roses would make you happy. Celeste

please .. though i like to see my name in lights... use a post name that is searchable .... so that my pearls of wisdom ... anyones pearls.. can be referenced later ... anyway ...i dont know why you have to wait until they are growing.. but they do come up on stored energy ... so making too small a hole.. and severing hosta roots is going to hurt them ... but if you are working on a big enough sized clump of soil ... you should be all set ... frankly.. maples will win .... take note this summer which are the best under them .... and move out the problem children ... and move in the one that have a chance of scraping it out with the maple ... consider pots under the maples... and the maple will still grow into the pot .... but it is easier to move the pots occasionally .. rather than popping them out.. every severed root will be replaced by hundreds of replacement feeder roots ... IMO ... i moved 65 miles from my old maples .. lol ... i won ken

I spoke w/ my sister yesterday and asked if her if she really wanted me to give my honest opinions even if she may be upset at them and she said yes. I floated the opportunity of having Sue come here w/ us for a month for a lifetime - whatever she wanted and needed. I told her that if she felt it would be good for Sue to please discuss it w/ the psychologist. I really tried to press her more about other things as I just wanted to try and expand her thinking and options. Like I said, my sister is a follower where as I knock down doors asking questions looking for feedback and answers. My sister does not. I guess that's what big sisters are for. If the younger one can't do it we assist in clearing the path to help them walk it a little easier. I really tried to drive home the 'Family Counseling' and how would they manage that? If BIL is on the road how will ER set up the family counseling to adapt to that? How will they individualize it for that because him not working isn't an option and working means being on the road. I tried to impress upon my sister that it's not just Sue's problem but that the family as a whole needs counseling as well as my sister and BIL in regards to better parenting alternatives as to what they currently do. I attempted to drive that point home to her that if they don't work as hard as Sue then nothing that they do will amount to a hill of beans. I let her know that mandatory family counseling w/ Sue was a great pro about ER and something that I could not offer them because I think that Sue has to be a participant. I also mentioned that even if Sue weren't a factor in this whole thing that I still thought they needed counseling as a whole. I asked her if she just sat back and listened to what the psychologist said and if she asked questions. She said that she did ask questions but when she told me what the questions were they seemed to be on the 'follower' side of things. I asked her to think outside of the box and ask more probing questions. I told her to think of it as if she were diagnosed w/ a potentially deadly disease and what would she do. She said research and ask very pointed questions. She would want to know the Dr.s background, how often had they treated the deadly disease, how would they treat it and why specifically that way? What was the success rate w/ of recovery w/ the Dr.s pts.? Did the Dr. only ever refer pts. to 1 specific place and if so why? And so on. When I posed it to her that way a light bulb seemed to go on in her head. I told her not to be afraid and to try and find a chunk of quiet time to write her questions down and go back to the psychologist w/ them. I pointedly asked if she ever thought about counseling for the 2nd daughter and she said 'No. Why does evryone think that she has a problem. She's fine w/ us." I told her to carefully think about that statement and ask herself why others have said that. I left it at that. She cried and asked me to talk to BIL that he needs to hear what I've said and just talk w/ me. I asked her what point she would like to see come across if I spoke w/ him so that I could gather my wits about me. DS has tried and always keeps trying to do the right thing for Sue, I just think that many times DS doesn't see what she's doing herself. Funkyart - no need to feel uneasy - we all have perspectives and thoughts and come from varied backgrounds always giving a different viewpoint. I guess I am just of the being that we do what needs to be done, don't look back and take it day by day. Once we set a realistic goal ther is no quiting - we try every way possible to finish the task at hand. We try to raise our children that way. Ever since I was in the Marine Corps I always told myself "Only God can can stop the end of the day from coming" and it always made me feel that no matter how hard a task was that eventually I would see the other side - that a task could not go on forever, I just had to be strong. Nobody or nothing humanly possible could stop me.