I have a hypothetical question for you all. RE: Propane vs Oil
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Comments (11)you need a "traditional" backup fuel for any kind of solid fuel heating. Solid fuel heating is considered a supplementary heat source (even if it's pretty much all you use) and a heat source that requires no attention is the primary heat source. Most homeowners' policies require something other than solid fuel heat to be present and be considered primary heat. Additionally, if you are away from home for an extended period, you will want to have a 100% maintenance free backup. Often, these two fuel sources can be combined in the same unit - most on the market today offer that ability. Thus there is no need to have two furnaces or boilers sitting beside each other and the associated costs that would create. With anthracite coal heat, the initial investment is usually far less and the payback much faster than most other "alternative" energy options. Anthracite coal heat is not for everyone, but, with the modern appliances on the market and the significant cost savings, it's an option that's worth looking into....See MorePropane VS. Oil Vs. Pellet??
Comments (2)Ted: For a fuel comparison, compare the cost of 1 million btu's of heat for several fuels. Insert your own costs and efficiencies for a more accurate number. Propane at $3/gallon, 80% efficient furnace: (1,000,000 btu / 91,000 btu per gallon) x $3/gallon / .8 = $41.21. $36.63 for a 90% efficient furnace. Oil at $4.50/gallon, 80% efficient furnace (1,000,000 / 139,000 x 4.50 / .8 = $40.46 The difference in the operating cost of oil heat and 80% efficient propane furnace is negligible (2%) at the above prices. 90% propane furnace is almost 10% cheaper. With today's prices, oil and propane are now the most expensive heating fuels. Electric resistance heat w/electricity at 12 cents per kw-hr delivered: (1,000,000 / 3413 x .12 = $35.15 Heat pump w/electricity at 12 cents per hw-hr, COP = 3.25 at 35F ambient = 35.15 / 3.25 = $10.82 Heat pumps produce cheap heat but require auxillary heat as outdoor temps drop below 32F or so. Wood Pellets at $225/ton, 90% efficient pellet stove: (1,000,000 / 16,500,000) x 225 / .9 = $12.27 Good luck....See MoreOil vs Propane
Comments (9)Thanks for the replies ... Since I live in a rural area, propane is used by most homes for something. I actually changed propane suppliers a couple of years ago when I was doing some remodeling, and it was very painless. Wish I could say the same about the oil companies ... I can't tell you all what the BTU's would be on a new oil boiler since I am still waiting a week later for my oil company to call me back about a new boiler. It's getting to the point where I might just switch to propane because I get great service from the company that currently supplies my propane. They are working up an estimate for me to replace the oil boiler. I switched oil compnies 2 years ago because the local oil company I used was no longer servicing boilers, they only wanted to deliver oil. The new local oil company admitted to me last year, they now have too much business because of that. So their service is awful. I'm getting tired of dealing with them, so this might be a real easy decision. If they ever call me back, and I get some real numbers on what they propose as a replacement, I'll let you know btu's, etc....See Morehypothetical question for diy'ers and ikea'ers
Comments (17)dianalo, I'd love to see your Applad kitchen if you care to post photos! I think I remember seeing a shot of your drawers with the vintage pulls -- that was yours, right? The only problem I have with the idea of Applad uppers is that we have slab white uppers now, and they look kind of stark covering the whole wall next to white appliances too. But then ours are more like the Ikea Harlig ones -- square-edged, slightly textured laminate. Perhaps a different finish would make a difference. I agree with you about the Applad soft white; it's a good color. I've got a Lidingo sample door (a dollar or two from the as-is room) and the color is just right in our kitchen. I know Applad is the same finish. The paint I got to test-match (BM Simply White) looks great in here too. One thing is, this kitchen has always had white slab doors. Its original cabinets had plain doors with rounded edges, partial overlay on painted wood frames. Next it got the slab melamine frameless, which as you know is a very different look because of the square edges and no space between the doors and no hinges showing. If I put in Applad everywhere it would look sort of like the old 40's steel cabinets (I think you have said this yourself) -- except that I don't usually think of steel wall cabinets going to the ceiling. Probably not a bad option for this house though....See More- 4 years ago
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