It used to be a recommendation to make sure you were up to date on your tetanus vaccination. But others may have been added since.

If this is not a trick question: something involving spores.

lkayetwvz5

It used to be a recommendation to make sure you were up to date on your tetanus vaccination. But others may have been added since.

I believe the disease in question was ”added” a very, very very long time ago.

It is not tetanus that I'm thinking of. Years ago, someone on this forum contracted it. It is serious.

https://www.google.com/search?q=rose+thorn+disease+sporotrichosis&oq=Rose+Thorn+disease&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.3737j0j4&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

This is not a trick. It is a very real infection and can be deadly if not treated promptly. Always a good idea to keep your tetanus up to date if you garden but beyond that wear protective clothing and if you are wounded make sure you clean the wound and disinfect it. If there is any reddening and swelling see a doctor promptly and make sure you tell them it is a rose thorn wound.

You have to be on the lookout for Staphlococcus aureus bacteria entering a puncture wound or abrasion from a rose thorn, or any skin trauma gardening injury. If the Staph enters your blood stream it's serious, needing immediate medical attention. I have had several Staph infections resulting from gardening wounds, some rather innocuous, at first. I was very fortunate to recover from them all, but heavy doses of doctor prescribed antibiotics were necessary in each case.

Moses

The first thing that came to mind was Sporothrix schenckii Like Vapor posted. It causes “rose gardener’s disease”. This is certainly something to watch out for. Also like Moses mentioned staph can always be an issue, as well as several other soil organisms. Good luck to your friend, I would recommend going to the doctor if there are any signs of infection.

Let me be clear:

I do not begrudge vaporvac ( who has already received one like) the glory.

BUT:

rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)

If this is not a trick question: something involving spores.

seil zone 6b MI

This is not a trick. It is a very real infection and can be deadly if not treated promptly. Always

Aahhh, seil. Aahhh.

You did nail it on the head and if I could type on my phone I give you credit! Usually I talk into my phone and it looks like I don't even know the English language. I must talk very strange. That page also said there are others which must be the staffs and there are just so many soil borne diseases it's crazy. I think some famous rosarians have actually died. Moses I'm so sad you had to suffer from these things. I guess this is why I suffer wearing heavy Denim and gloves in the summertime.

Vapor this is completely OT. I am in a gardening break but still can’t stop myself from checking here some times lol. Do you grow the fairy? I couldn’t stop myself and got it from ARE with the free thanksgiving thing they had going on. I have no idea what I should do with it. I googled it and only saw threads from 2008.

I can say a word about the fairy. I’ve had one on a shady hillside for over 15 years. It gets less than 150 minutes of sun/day - at most; most of the season it gets less. With that: reasonable ”1st flush”, and surprising mild blooming thereafter. . No spray pretty good on black spot. I would love to see how it did with 4 hours a day. I don’t think any of mine get more than 5 1/2 a day, and then only for a short time in summer.

BTW, I was tough on seil only because I hold her in such high regard - as do many here. I always pay close attention to her advice.

Thank you very much for the comment rifis. It is great to hear it can take some shade.

Thread about it.

https://www.houzz.com/discussions/1635651/rose-thorn-infection-update#n=130

Thank you to all. It was sporotrichosis I was thinking of. And yes, my friend went to the doctor this afternoon.

Thank you, rifis, but I was not offended in any way.

This is truly a serious infection and any infection should be taken care of immediately. Let's face it, we play in the DIRT and there's all kinds of crap floating around out there. If you see any reddening or swelling around a wound GO TO THE DOCTOR!

Dianela, have you taken those big exams yet, or are you still studying hard? I wish you the best on them, and have full confidence you'll ace the things. Diane

My goodness, how I admire you, Dianela. Diane

For some reason my phone won’t let me click on “like” on all the postings here. This is very educational. I didn’t know that. Thanks for this thread!

Dianela, what are you studying? I know it’s something in the medical field. Good luck! :-)

Summers, Dianela is a doctor, finishing her residency in pathology, a very demanding field. Diane

Thank you summers and Diane! I’ll do my best and study hard. It is wonderful to take a tiny break from studying and stop by and say hello. Have a wonderful rest of the week.

Good for you Dianela! Is your residency 3 years or 5 years? They both are long journeys. Are you a MD, DO or PhD? I am just wondering. It’s in between clinical and research...... you sure can give me the best answer. :-) Go Dianela!!

Hello there Summers and thank you, it has been a long journey, and I feel very blessed to have been able to do It. I am happy to answer any questions for you. I am a DO. Most DOs end up doing MD residencies because the number of DO residency spots is very small. There are actually no DO pathology programs so I am doing a 4 year combined Anatomical/clinical pathology residency that is MD. Those who decide to do anatomical only or clinical only can do it in 3. The combined path is the most common since surgical pathologist are required to be clinically boarded to be lab directors and AP boarded to practice surgical path. I actually just realized I am currently the only DO resident in my program. We also have one MD/PhD and the other ones are MDs. PHDs without an MD/DO are not allowed to do a residency in Pathology. We are required to do one research project or poster per year, but most pathologist that want to do serious research go into academics after residency. There is a lot of new stuff happening in the molecular pathology field right now and it is becoming very popular subspecialty in pathology.

You seem to have lots of knowledge regarding the medical education in the US. Tell me how you know so much if you don’t mind sharing =). I’ll go to study before bed, but I’ll stop by the forum during my morning coffee break tomorrow.

*** so sorry Matthias for going so OT on your thread. I am glad your friend saw the doctor will pray for a fast recovery.

Dianela, after many decades of trying, Idaho finally has a medical school, and it will graduate its first class in a year, I think. They will receive the DO degree which really isn't that much different from an MD. The hope is that these new docs will stay and practice in Idaho after their residencies. Didn't DO and MD just start out many years ago with different philosophies? I hope you've had a good night's sleep when you read this. Diane

Hi There Diane :). Houzz actually kept telling me my message didn’t post and I kept resending it and edited it lol.

Now I see it, and see your message also =). I am so glad to hear you have a medical school =). It will definitely and hopefully attract more physicians to the area. You are 100% correct. Andrew Taylor Still was an MD during the American civil war, he was unhappy with the medicine at the time ( not that they had much modern medicine then). He thought the medical treatment of his days were many times harmful, and wanted to year medicine towards prevention and avoid drugs. After this many years the DO curriculum is exactly the same as any MD school with the exception that we are also required to do 400 hours of Osteopathic manipulations which are a combination of soft tissue and bone techniques. Other than that currently the differences are very minor. They are so minor than the American Osteopathic association ( DO accrediting body) and the ACGME (MD accrediting body) are currently merging as a single accrediting association.

https://blog.matcharesident.com/5-ws-of-the-acgme-merger-mddo-merger/

ok so that was a crazy long winded reply. Have a wonderful night =). Now I’ll go to bed before I pass out on the couch again.

I am so proud of you! It must be very hard to get that spot! :-) DO and MD will merger on July 1st 2020, Residencies will no longer be MD vs Do, they will be the same. One of my family will be in med school, and that’s why I know a little, not a lot. :-)

Study hard and sleep well my friend!

Oh, got to eat well too.

Nanadoll, I am also happy to know ICOM will have their 1st graduation class of 2020! How exciting! There is shortage of family doctors in the US, hopefully most of students stay there to help the area.

Thank you Summers <<——- (corrected my crazy flowers)! When the time comes have your family member check us out here in Alabama :). We have two residency programs in Birmingham. UAB being the super large academic program and us being the smaller with strong focus on community practice. We do our molecular and things like that at UAB together with their residents but we are separate. We cover two hospitals in the city and have internal medicine, general surgery, radiology and pathology. I have had a very good experience here, and at UAB so I feel like I could honestly recommend it. Residency is tough anywhere, but so far here the administration takes very seriously the hour limits and try to do things to promote healthy life styles.

http://residency.bhsala.com/

Thanks DianelaI! I saved the link! It will be helpful later.

I checked out the link.

That's a lot of white!

Does the hospital have its own onsite laundry, or do they outsource it?

Or do they leave it up to y'all (credit: kenneth)?

Thanks for the link sultry. That was a great thread. rifis, I suspect they have to do it themselves since they usually have their names on their coats. I'm glad to see they have as some places are considering getting rid of them or have everyone wear the same thing which makes it difficult to know who's who. Usually the resident's coat is different in someway ie. shorter. Also thanks for the info on The Fairy. What other roses do you grow that do well in so few hours of sun?

dianela, I do grow The Fairy, but she's still in a pot. I grew her from a cutting and she grew so slowly I couldn't believe the stories of her vigorous growth or health. However, sometime last summer she decided to stick around and underwent a growth spurt proving that even I can grow roses in a pot for a bit. She's all ready to go in the ground as soon as I clear a space for her next to Red Cascade. I kept her in full sun and she was always in bloom with an impressive amount of flowers. I hope her new home will keep her as happy because it will be shaded from late afternoon onwards. However, with rifis comments, I'm hopeful. If not, I'll report back if I move her.

Good thread! I should be more careful about getting pricked and scratched by my roses. I’m not very careful, and always full of scratches and pokes. I’m on immune suppression therapy, so I probably should be extra careful.

I grow a sport of ‘The Fairy’ called ‘Lovely Fairy’. It’s always in bloom, even though it gets almost no direct sun at all. It’s always loaded with very bright pink little blooms. For some reason, I don’t have problems with it in my very alkaline soil. It’s a thorny one, but I love those cheerful sprays of little blooms. The look great in a vase with larger roses of a lighter color. I highly recommend it. Lisa

Thank you Vapor for letting me know about your fairy. I just received 3 from ARE which I ordered with their thanksgiving special. I can’t wait to plant them.

Summers I have corrected my dumb post where I called you flowers instead of Summers ( flowers and summers go together in my head I guess).

Rifis :) we all are responsible for washing our coats and scrubs also.

Lisa I am also not very careful around my roses. After working in the garden it looks like I was in a brawl with cats. It is certainly wise to wear thick long sleeves and leather gloves that go to your elbows. Also some eye protection would be great. I have almost poke my eye several times. thank you For mentioning the lovely fairy, I will look it up.

dianela, I've taken to wearing a hat with a brim or bill to protect my eyes and wear my glasses while gardening. I'm thinking of getting the arm gators ARE sells to avoid wearing heavy denim shirts in the humid summer. I always clean those cuts and then apply Desitin which really helps with wound healing. It's easy to be forgetful.

Lisa, I'm just amazed you've had those great results with The Fairy in alkaline soil. The gardening gods singled me out for punishment, I guess, when I acquired six The Fairy Roses as my first rose I ever grew many years ago in my previous home. Those roses hated my alkaline soil and instantly became severely chlorotic, a good lesson for the beginner on how to acidify soil. It took years of soil acidifiers to even make a dent in the chlorosis, and it never was truly successful. When the leaves were pale yellow, the powdery mildew would begin--and stay and stay, the only rose I grew to ever have a fungal problem. None of the roses I acquired after The Fairy had the least problem in my soil, and it's a good thing, or I might never have grown any more roses at all, given the disaster of The Fairy.

Dianela, don't let my tale of woe discourage you. First, I'm sure your soil is acidic, and no one else but me seems to have had my problems. I remember Nik on the antique rose forum had the same experience as I did with The Fairy years ago. Apparently, he has very alkaline soil and dry conditions in Greece, too. Diane

I'll report back once mine is planted and in alkaline clay. It could be my pot culture is keeping her happy thus far. Hmmmm.

Diane thank you for mentioning your experience. I am actually struggling with Royal Jubilee from David austin because I planted it where it gets a lot of run off from a gravel driveway. It is super chlorotic, and looks terrible. I might try to acidity the area. After reading that your fairy didn’t like the alkaline soil, I am going to plant these under some pine trees. I have read that pine tree needles have some acidifying effect in the soil and I will test their shade tolerance. Ohh this probably hasn’t been very wise, but I have never tested my soil. I do have an endless summer hydrangea and the color is pinkish lavender so maybe close to neutral? A lot of those around here turn blue in the acidic soil, I am not sure why mine is not the same.

Vapor looking forward to seeing yours in the future. Ok so I am going to go drool some more over that spirit of freedom that suebelle posted. I have not been able to get my hands on that one and I realllllly want it.

Dianela, the easiest way I found to acidify my soil is to use granular fertilizer for acid loving plants--Lilly Miller is the brand I like. I only have mild trouble occasionally with my hybrid musk, Ballerina. I quit using the fancy acidifiers several years ago, and found the fertilizer worked better. Good luck. Diane

Thank you Diane. I will try your approach next spring. Thank you for always being so willing to share your knowledge and experience.

Use miracid fertilizer and it seems to work fine. I'll have to look into the Lilly Miller product.

Lilly Miller is very economical and easy to apply. Just sprinkle it around the base of the rose, and maybe scratch it in a little. I used Miracid a long time ago--can't remember if it is one you spray on. Diane

On the disease topic -- I was told by my doctor that in the old days they used to think that tetanus came from rusty things (nails and the like). But now they see tetanus from gardeners, and realize that maybe the rust was not the problem -- it's the microbes that live on farms (and that gardeners encounter via fertilizers) that get directly introduced to the blood via puncture wounds -- which is increasingly rare from rusty nails but still a danger for...rose growers! Or anyone getting a puncture wound in the garden or on a farm. So....YES, tetanus can be a danger and we should be up-to-date on our vaccines. Not that I'm saying this was the answer to the original question posed, but lkayetwvz5 is correct re vaccs. Also -- I can't remember where I read this, oriignally, but back when mad cow was a threat, I read of some rose gardeners that got mad cow though they never ate beef -- and the theory was that their eyeballs and mucus membranes had absorbed the disease via the bone fertilizers. So now when I sprinkle these kinds of things I try to remember to wear sunglasses or goggles. I'm not 100% confident of this anymore -- but worth thinking about.