HELP!! No idea how to maximise our limited space!!
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Comments (2)It really depends on how limited your space is. I've grown mine only because they were started by some pigeons, who didn't like pumpkin seed in the squirrel food. (Squirrels didn't like the food at all.) Mine grew (am online finding out how to harvest them, since Halloween will be here before our first frost) up my 4 foot chain fence with the help of a round tomato cage, wandered a bit further up a trellis, and divided in several places -- some wandering along the bottom of the fence on the outside, some being forced to turn at the fence's corner, to avoid roaming into the neighbors' yards (one escaped on me, and grew in the neighbor's yard anyway.) Most of the story is told on the link below, but, since then Quasimoto (a pumpkin that grew through the chainlink fence) fell apart, leaving a gooey mess inside and outside of my fence. Also, when I wrote the story, I didn't know about the fourth pumpkin just starting in the neighbor's yard. All told, my yard is 16' X 16' and the pumpkins vined at least 20-30 feet long! You'd think it should be relatively easy to take the end of the vine and manipulate it to stay in your small space, but they grow so incredibly fast, and tend to get hidden in with the rest of the garden, or behind trash cans in the neighbor's yard, so you're bound to miss some slinking along somewhere. They also kept wanting to grow up the fence, which isn't a great idea, once the pumpkins started growing. Then there was the Powdery Mildew problem on the extremely long vine, which, in part, is caused by not enough air circulation (from having a small area to grow in). Ended up spraying every leaf (and leaves are huge and many) 2 times a week with a lttle baking soda in a lot of soapy water. (Should be done 3-4 times per week. Had the same problems with my cukes, squash, and lilac bush, so I was spraying every night, and still not spraying enough.) Can you do it? Depends on how small your small space is. Should you do it? Probably not, BUT read the link about the book to find varieties that are doable in small places. Am I glad I did it? YOU BET!!!!! I'm excited I've done something that I read could not be done, and, since we're both non-salt users, this will the first time in decades we get roasted pumpkin seeds! YIPPEE!!! Also, he just found out he has diabetes, and I've had lactose intolerance for a long time too, so this Thanksgiving we get homemade pumpkin pie with ingredients that won't make us sick! (I'm so excited, I can hardly stand it!) Will I do it again? My impulse is to say, "Never again! Once was enough!" Two problems though - 1.) I haven't yet tasted what my hard labor has produced, and, 2.) woman have more then one child even after going through delivery -- actual pain recededs in our minds the further we are from it. It was a bit more difficult for me, because I'm disabled, and it is pain related with extra pain when I do things I shouldn't. But like women haven't more then one child, away from that extra pain, I'm already forgetting how bad it was. ;) Here is a link that might be useful: Quasimoto, the Pumpkin...See MoreHow much space to grow all of our vegetables?
Comments (18)For a long time now, the answer to how much space is needed to grow a year's food for one person has ranged from 4,000 square feet to 5,000 square feet, and I believe that's fairly accurate if you are engaging in traditional gardening practices. If you put a lot of time and effort into double-digging the ground-level soil and adding a lot of organic matter to it (you also can add a raised bed above the well-prepared grade-level soil), a la the John Jevons biointensive gardening method, you probably could easily grow a year's supply of fruit, veggies, herbs and some grains and some compost crops to enrich and renew your soil, but that is the sort of thing you slowly work your way towards doing and it can take years. The most helpful book I've ever read on raising the most food in the least space is John Jeavon's "How To Raise More Vegetables....." book that I've linked below. For centuries, people around the world have used biointensive gardening to raise more crops in less space. The Square Foot Garden method advocated by Mel is just a really simplified form of that biointensive growing method. I read the book when it first came out and experimented with SFG spacing, but found I had better success with the spacing and growing methods advocated by John Jeavons. When you build an above-ground bed on top of unimproved grade-level soil and fill it with imported soil to do Square Foot Gardening, you just aren't going to get the heavy yields a person will get from better and deeper improvement of the soil. That's because production will be better when a plant can easily send our roots far and wide into good, fertile, friable soil. My garden is slightly smaller than Dorothy's and I plant very intensively in raised beds which really are just wide rows with narrow paths, using deep beds of native soil amended with lots or organic matter on an annual basis and using ordinary organic methods, and I don't even raise all of our food. However, I do raise much of it, and have plenty to freeze, can, dehydrate, ferment and root cellar. We also give away quite a lot of produce. To garden on a large scale, you have to have a lot of space and even then you have to really focus every year on improving the soil. Your yields will only be as great as the soil quality, moisture availablity and weather allow. I don't want for you to be discouraged though. Even in a garden with only 500 square feet you could raise quite a lot of produce and herbs. You just need to grow everything vertically that you can. I raise the all kinds of crops vertically, using trellises, ladders, fences, tomato cages, etc. to direct the growth of the plants upward as much as possible. I even allow my Seminole pumpkins to escape from the garden and climb nearby trees. The more stuff you grow vertically, the higher yield you get per square foot of garden space. Vertically, you can grow pole beans (snaps, limas and shellies), pole snap peas, pole southern peas, tomatoes, peppers (caged or staked), muskmelons and cantaloupes, refrigerator-type watermelons, cucumbers, some winter and summer squash and mini-pumpkins, and even potatoes (in boxes, cages, potato grow bags or bins) and sweet potatoes (with the potatoes in the ground and the foliage climbing a fence, trellis or tomato cage). You can increase yields by interplanting 2 or more veggies together. As the earlier veggie matures, the one that needs a longer period to mature can fill in the space left after the earlier crop is harvested. For example, you can plant radishes in the same rows with carrots. The radishes will sprout and grow more quickly, but after you pull the radishes, the carrots will use the space they vacated. Or, you can interplant root crops with leaf crops like carrots with lettuce. It takes time to learn how to use these kinds of combinations to get the best use of your soil, but the John Jeavons book explains the various options in great detail. In his recession gardening book, Jim Wilson (of Victory Garden South fame) says that he believes a garden has to be at least 500 square feet in order for you to raise enough edible crops to break even/make money when you compare the amount of money spent to grow the garden to the dollar value of the crops raised. Anything less than that is still good, but not a winner economically. I'd agree with that premise, but if you use a lot of fresh herbs and you're growing them instead of raising them, then you could be breaking even/saving enough money that your garden is a good investment even if it is less than 500 square feet. When growing your own food, grow what you really like to eat and grow what makes sense economically. In a small garden, it is hard to economically justify growing potatoes because of the amount of space they use up and because potatoes are pretty inexpensive at the grocery store. Economically, I believe tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, virtually all herbs, asparagus, and pole beans and peas probably give the greatest return economically if raised vertically. If you are able to successfully grow winter and summer squash without losing the plants to pests, they can produce quite a lot per square foot, but they also tend to sprawl and take up a lot of space. However, it isn't all about economics. It also is about quality and flavor. I've never yet bought a potato at the grocery store that tastes as good as one that's home-grown. We all talk about the luscious flavor of a home-grown tomato, but a home-grown potato is just as luscious in its own way. And, as for canning and other forms of food preservation, given the size of your beds at the present time, I don't think you'll be doing much food preservation this summer unless you are preserving everything you raise instead of eating it fresh. A garden the size of yours can supply you with a reasonable amount of fresh produce weekly, but not enough that you'll have a surplus to preserve. I have a very large garden and tend to plan lunch and dinner when I am out harvesting early in the day. Anything I'm harvesting that we won't eat in the next few days, I go ahead and freeze, can, dehydrate, ferment or root cellar, or make plans to share it with a family member or friend. Don't forget that you can raise quite a lot of veggies in containers too, and if you put them on a simple drip irrigation system with a timer, that's about as carefree as gardening can be. Even with a very large garden, I generally plant between 40 and 100 containers per year. I didn't do that last year because I was expecting severe drought and that likely was a pretty good decision, but I missed my containers last year, so I'm bringing them back this year. You also can squeeze in some veggie and herbs into ornamental landscape beds, including the various colors of swiss chard and peppers of all kinds, if those beds are inaccessible to rabbits and other critters. They even have cascading forms of tomatoes, like Tumbling Tom Red and Tumbling Tom Yellow, for example, that you can grow in hanging baskets. My first garden here, which I planted 6 months before we broke ground for the house was two 4' x 8' beds and they produced a surprisingly large amount of produce and a few flowers. Every year after that I added to the garden and I'm not through adding to it yet. I have an expansion plan in place for January and February, Lord willing and if the creek don't rise. A lot of the credit for my improved garden yields goes to the ongoing effort to improve the soil as John Jeavons teaches a person to do, but a lot also goes to my endless quest to raise something vertically. I've even raised 12 to 15 lb pumpkins vertically on a fence by creating fabric slings to support the weight of the pumpkins as they enlarged. I started more simply with small melons, then once I had mastered raising them vertically, moved up to larger melons, then watermelons, then small pumpkins and winter squash, and then larger ones. As your gardening skills progress, you find yourself able to grow in ways you never dreamed were possible. Dawn Here is a link that might be useful: How To Grow More Vegetables Than You Thought Possible...See MoreHow can we re-work our laundry/pantry space?
Comments (15)Getting rid of the header and dividing wall will give you a lot more space to work with. Whether you want counter space or not depends on how you think you will use it. Will it become a dumping ground? Do you want to keep the curtain, or make the area more presentable without it? Are you willing/able to spend the money to build cabinetry? If money was no object, I would keep the W/D stacked, and build cabinets around/above them. I have pull-outs above my fridge that I find very convenient for light-weight or rarely used things - my canning pot, paper towels, extra cereal boxes (the open box is in a different place). Something like that would allow you to use the deep space without losing things in the back. On the pantry side, use some combination of drawers and doors to suit the items you need to store....See MoreHelp! How can I make this small space into our guest bedroom.
Comments (57)Yikes! I didn't know that about pop-up trundles. Good to know so as to avoid them. I wonder if there are different quality ones that might be better? The day bed looks like it might work for kids, but I would hate to be the person in the back who would be up against a wall and have to climb out over the front person. eta: I looked again and it looks like it can be designed so there is no back on it, which might work perfectly, so you can have it away from the wall for access from both sides....See MoreHU-843647819
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