Anyone have Jewish ancestry that they would like to celebrate more?
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Comments (6)I watched a couple of the Family Feud episodes. I love Steve Harvey, and his expressions when it was apparent that the contestants knew next to nothing about how the game is played were priceless! I'm in the process of putting together a Family Feud game for an upcoming work event, and I think it's going to be a blast. One of our really funny execs (who is African American) is going to play the part of Steve. Yesterday I found myself searching online for a believable "bald wig" for him to wear, which is one of the more unusual things I've had to do job-wise in awhile. ;-)...See MoreI've just about had it with Golden Celebration.... or have I?
Comments (12)Lady Ashe is tip hardy for me in W. PA ZONE 5/6. Got it from Chamblee's in 2013. Four years in the garden thus far and it is 9 ft. across (4.5 ft. each direction), growing on a 4 ft. fence, and still growing. Extremely BS resistant. Its first flush is in clusters of no more than 4 blooms, but subsequent flushes are one to a stem on 2ft. long stems. Its growth habit is therefore somewhat climbing hybrid tea like as the season progresses. The flowers are not large, never over 4", but are packed with petals and extremely high centered when fully open. Looks like a layer cake. They last an eternity on the bush. The fragrance is strong but does not seem to carry by my nose. Like all climbers it did not take off in its first 2 years. Last year and this year it zoomed ahead. It does like its groceries and responds best to regular fertilization....See MoreAncestry Gift
Comments (13)I had written, "Folklore has it that the workers at Ellis Island changed people's names when they came through. Not true (at least, not that I've ever found)." Elmer then pulled a Donald Trump and selected only part of that quote, to wit: "Folklore has it that the workers at Ellis Island changed people's names" and then added his own statement, "It's not folklore." He attempted to bolster that with, "I've encountered many people who said their ancestry research found that their old country names had been, let's say, simplified or Anglicized in a spelling or phonetic sense." Elmer, did these folks whom you encountered tell you that they found evidence that the workers at Ellis Island (or any other point of entry) deliberately changed their ancestors' names? Or did they simply say that "... their ancestry research found that their old country names had been, let's say, simplified or Anglicized in a spelling or phonetic sense." There's a HUGE difference. For example, my paternal grandfather was born in Italy. I grew up knowing his name, where he was born, and the exact date he arrived at Ellis Island. For years I searched for the ship manifest with his name on it, but I could not find it. My grandfather's first name is Joseph, and I knew that in Italy his name would have been Giuseppe. I also, of course, knew the surname, because it is the surname of my father and it is also my maiden name. I also know that many people misspell Giuseppe as Guiseppe, and I searched both spellings, as well as for Joseph, but I simply could not find the manifest. Then one day I decided to search for the manifest for my grandfather's best friend, Angelo. They were best friends growing up in Italy, both had come to the USA, and Angelo married one of my paternal grandmother's first cousins. I easily found the manifest with Angelo's name on it, and much to my surprise, there was my grandfather's name right below it! My grandfather's entry had been lined out, which meant that he had not made the voyage. He was only 15 at that time (and I knew he came to the States when he was 17), so I wasn't surprised that he hadn't made that trip. (Although I've never read this as fact, my research bears out my thinking that no one under the age of 16 was allowed to make the trip unless they were traveling with a relative who was at least 16 years old.) BUT, there was a big surprise in that manifest entry. As I said, I knew it was my grandfather, because he was listed right after Angelo, as well as the facts that the place of birth (the little hilltop village) was correct, and in the column for "Name of nearest relative in the country from whence you came" had "Cesare - father" - and I knew my great-grandfather's name was Cesare. The surprise was that the surname was "wrong." My very Italian maiden name ends with an o. But the name written on the manifest ends with an i. Even when said with a very heavy Italian accent, the name with an o and the name with an i do not sound the same. Generally speaking, Italian names that end with an i are pronounced with the i as if it were a "long e" (think of Henry Mancini -- "man-see-knee") and Italian names that end with an o are pronounced with a "long o" at the end. So, I wondered how in the heck anyone could have written down my grandfather's surname incorrectly. But, I then did a manifest search using that misspelling, and I immediately found his manifest. Census records have my grandfather's surname spelled correctly, so the manifest spelling was puzzling to me until I went to the Family Research Library in Salt Lake City and found my grandfather's naturalization papers. My grandfather was not naturalized until he'd been in the USA for 29 years. My father was 24 when my grandfather was naturalized (so his naturalization did not affect my father's Italian citizenship, nor mine or that of my siblings). For 29 years, every time my grandfather's name was written on anything, it was written with an o on the end, not an i. And my grandfather's naturalization papers clearly state that he wanted his name officially, legally changed to the "new" spelling, and the request was approved. Angelo also changed his surname. His surname in Italy ended with an i, and he did not change that. But, within the name there was an a which he changed to an e. One of Angelo's brothers also immigrated, and he left the a as an a, but he dropped the i from the end. And, yes, I agree that there may very well have been instances at Ellis Island when a worker simply could not understand an immigrant's language and/or accent and could not understand their name and did not know how to spell it so the worker made the best attempt they could, which ended up "giving the immigrant a new name." But that is very, very different than deliberately assigning a new name to an immigrant. As was pointed out in earlier responses by others (and as evidenced by information on the 1940 Federal Census which shows how many years of education folks had), many immigrants did not know how to read or write and simply couldn't tell anyone the correct spelling of their names. And, as has been previously mentioned, unfamiliarity with foreign names and accents was a factor in names being misconstrued and misspelled. Elmer, as much as you like to fantasize that you are the be-all, end-all, ultimate authority in everything, you need to accept the fact that you're not. And, no, I'm not claiming to be the ultimate authority on genealogy research, but I'm willing to bet that I've spent many more hours doing genealogy research than you have; and I've helped many people get the documentation they need to join Sons of The American Revolution / Daughters of the American Revolution. (And, yes, on my husband's side of the family tree there is the name of someone who arrived on the Mayflower.) So, Elmer why don't you ask some of these people you've encountered who said "... their ancestry research found that their old country names had been, let's say, simplified or Anglicized in a spelling or phonetic sense" and ask them if their research revealed a deliberate changing of their name by a government official....See MoreAncestry...Anyone ever get a surprise?
Comments (52)With advice from the family (blood related) that I grew up with and advice from another close person who knows all parties I reached out (to one particular person)....Long story short....recent things have made them also question rumor. I already have contact with many of them just through a small, rural area and thru our jobs on occasion. Got together to catch up and discussed it. Bottom line, my biological father does not deserve the title and these others I know as siblings, and more distant cousins and I agree we all had suspicions. So, it is not perfect but I know and like these people and my other siblings who have no relation agree and support it. I appreciate all the advice, and I know many people have bad, bad results and with bio dad mine was but that isn't on me and I hope to get closer with these people who I already know and like and they like me...It has been from younger years that we spent more time together but they are open to things....See More- 6 years ago
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