Posted by trevorlawson I think its fair to say that the CC will out cook a thermadore due to open burners. Fair to say based on what? Please describe what this means. The high end is 22K BTUs-pretty close to Capital. This is the rating for the heat output, nothing to do with open or closed. The low end is 375 BTUs. We don't know what Capital has for that. I am sure everyone knows what I sell. What I sell does not detract from the fact that open burners outperform sealed burners. The difference between open and sealed burners is significant nothing nominal about it. We tested a wolf range with caps on and caps off using same pan same water side by side at the same time, the burner with caps off boiled water over 23% fast..... that is significant Here is the video. Outperform would be a mischaracterization of this "test". I see performance as more multidimensional than putting the most heat in the center of a pan. If you had a wider pan, or changed the metal it was made of, or what you are cooking, your results would be different. This falls under the category of showmanship rather than anything scientific. How can you say this-"the burner with caps off boiled water over 23% fast."without any supporting data? You are right it is not how big the burners are but how the burner delivers heat to the CENTER of the pan, so the base of the pan gets evenly hot. Sealed burner send vast majority of the heat to the outside of the pan, open burners send the heat to the center of the pan. Please explain using the principals of heat transfer how delivering heat to the center of a pan is allowing the base of the pan to get evenly hot. If you have a ring of heat on the bottom of the pan, heat will travel in both directions from that ring to heat the pan. The center will receive heat from more directions and heat quicker, until it comes to equilibrium, than the outside so it is optimum to have a ring with the maximum heat more towards the outside of the pan than the inside. It is much harder to get heat to the part of the pan outside of the ring. A sealed ring burner flame pattern is only slightly wider than an open ring burner, a little more if you have it wide open. If you use a pan with reasonably good heat transfer like copper or aluminum, the burner shape doesn't really matter as much, but I wouldn't want the heat in the middle of the pan. The only way I would see heat in the middle of a pan as a benefit is if I were using a very small pan or a wok. I use everything from a 7 inch pan to make caramel with no stirring to a 14 inch aluminum pan on my sealed burners. For any pan less than 7 inches, I have a "small pan burner" I can make fried potatoes in that 14 inch pan with even color all the way across. I use cast iron if I need a lot of heat as in searing meat.

Does anyone have this range (or similar)? Likes, dislikes? Pros, cons? Model: PRD486GDHU 48 inch Professional Series Pro Harmony Standard Depth Dual Fuel Range PRD486GDHU Does anyone have the Pro Grand or Pro Grand Steam range? I've never wanted a warming drawer and doubt we would use the steam oven feature often, so doubt I would get either but comments are welcome. I've always hated the way our current dual fuel range (GE Monogram) sticks out further than the cabinets and would love the Harmony since it's counter depth. Will continue with 6 burners and a griddle. Need the large and small ovens, so smaller not an option. (I do not want wall oven(s).) This is for possible new lakehouse (LP gas). Thanks in advance for your comments.Allison

Hi. I just bought the thermador package last week. Hasn’t arrived. Estimated time is July... my supplier also does all the thermador maintenance and repair etc so I felt better about that (less customer service). They report no worse problems or repairs than any other brands overall so all that made me feel better and I just went ahead with the thermador because I like it best! I also liked monogram but I don’t like the styling of the 2021 range... the 2020 model is no longer available. I might have done monogram instead if I could have gotten the old model (the new one is nice just a little more modern in design and didn’t work w our kitchen). Hoping for the best! Good luck.

I have a Jenn Air 36” with griddle. The griddle is great, and the clean up is wonderful and it still looks brand new. You only use water to clean it. The burners are great too. The oven has its ticks, some uneven heating and it gets very hot, but overall it’s a great range.