Alana is right. Add one. You'll regret losing Ispahan.

I am New York City area 6b/7a. That probably what I will do but have not made up my mind! Thank you for pointing that out

Jacques Cartier

I will now confuse you, and everybody else by saying Jacques Cartier and not Marchesa Boccella.

It may be the only rose I have totally lost to RRD, and I am NOT HAPPY about it. It came from Royalle River Roses. They got much of their stock from Canada, but I have no idea specifically where. Probably some wholesaler unknown to the internet.

It will not be as healthy as Ispahan, which is a noble and admirable beast on its own merits, but has the other characteristics.

If you have a place you consider slightly too shady for roses from deciduous trees, consider moving Ispahan there. Once bloomers tend to be reasonably tolerant of deciduous shade.

How about Indigo? Or maybe some Hybrid Musk's? Someone will have to reccomend one. I really don't know what else to reccomend for New York. Or that zone, but hopefully someone else will.

I would add another rose also that is a repeat to Kazanlik. I am with Alana and Shiela .
There a number of members near you like Krista, Chris.....( sorry my mind is going blank with names now )
You can have a different colours to compliment when Kazanlik is in bloom or a contrast or have same colour. You can also pick David Austin which blooms a lot. You have tons of choices. I would check with nurseries near you and ask them for recommendations.

Hopefully more members will see this.

I wish I can grow Kazanlik here...Grrrr!!!

jin

mad_gallica: I have Marchesa Boccella. Repeat Blooms but on the other hand its so small. Is it the same as comte de chambord? My MB lacks vigor but completely disease resistant. I have seen CdeC recommended many times. How similar to MB is it?

Alana: now that I look back in my minds there is very few blooming roses that could compare with the once blooming of Ispahan. This helps me remember how magnificent this plant is. Indigo sounds so good. How does the fragrance compare to MIP?

Plumeria: You think I should add Kazanlik? I have heard about it but never thought about adding it right there..Hmmm But maybe to a shadier spot?

Guys: thanks for pointing out how special Ispahan is. I think I will add another rose to that spot and may or may not move Ispahan.

What should that rose be?

Katy, don't move Ispahan, it is such a setback. As to what you should add, I think those closer to you could help the most.

I meant don't moved Kazanlik. Add another rose that has repeat bloom cycle. Perhaps I did not make it that clear, sorry :)
jin

I see where the confusion came.... I meant Ispahan. Don't move Ispahan but add another repeat not Kazanlik.( I believe that is also once bloomer )
That was my mistake...opps !!
jin. .

Katya, since you enjoy Ispahan's fragrance, why not save some of her blossoms and have her fragrance in your home all year long? Ispahan is one of the roses most used in perfume making and in potpourri.

I prefer roses that bloom all season, too, but I wouldn't think of getting rid of my Ispahan.

Katya, since you enjoy Ispahan's fragrance, why not save some of her blossoms and have her fragrance in your home all year long? Ispahan is one of the roses most used in perfume making and in potpourri.

I prefer roses that bloom all season, too, but I wouldn't think of getting rid of my Ispahan.

It says on help me find that Indigo is very fragrant. I couldn't recall the smell, so I have to look it up. My memory is not the greatest.

On another note, I would love to know where you got your Ispahan. I have had mine many years, and have read how fragrant it is, but mine does not have a strong fragrance at all , more mild and that's has always been a disappointment for me. I love fragrance as well.

There must be some confusion on the market about 'Marchesa Boccella'. I bought mine from ARE and it's about 5 by 4 feet now. If you have yours for years and it's still small and not vigorous, then it's not the same cultivar as what I bought as MB.

I am with others about 'Ispahan'. If you'd like to add a reblooming fragrant rose to your entrance area, I would only caution that MIP (Mme Isaac Pereire), which you mention, is fabulously fragrant but has long canes that need some support. It easily spread 8 feet wide close to my fence where I train its canes in a fan-like manner for greater blooms.

There is a *lot* of confusion in the market about Marchesa Boccella and Jacques Cartier. I'm also beginning to think that Comte de Chambord is involved in this also. To simplify, one seems to stay small, but repeat extremely well. The other is a beast (mine had to be hacked often to keep it under 6 ft) that blooms more in flushes. The one I grew was very disease resistant for a repeater.

Comte de Chambord, AKA Comte de Blackspot was a rose I literally could not grow because it never had leaves. Asking around, the local consensus was that it absolutely had to have a spray program. Baronne Prevost was the exact same way. Mme. Isaac Pereire will blackspot before the first flush. Even here, that is an accomplishment. Indigo I have absolutely no experience with.

To get the fragrance, you are working within the world of damasks and damask perpetuals.

Alana, if you were asking me, my Ispahan came from Northland. It has grown wider than it is tall, about 5'x6', approx. 12 yr. old. It would be taller for you. During it's summer bloom, it covers itself in blooms and continues making buds for at least a month. Mine produces blooms into mid July.

I was asking the lady that made the post.

Thanks for answering though!

Is your from Northland very fragrant?

I have one, its big and I love it, just not very fragrant.

I don't have mme. Issac pierre, so I couldn't say. I always heard that she was a little fussy. Can't say for sure though as I don't grow MIP.

Dear friends, I am glad I put my thought before you and not just acted on it. I think what you suggest is the best of all options. I really do have special memories with my Ispahan and would have regretted removing it or even moving it. I will keep it exactly where it has always been and add another rose. Isn't it exciting when you dont have to get rid of anything and can add a whole new rose with all the fun of choosing one?!

Alana: I cant remember exactly where I got mine. It is most likely ARE. Thats where I got most of my roses. And a smattering from HR. If you instruct me how to do it I am happy to give you a cutting. No problem. My Ispahan has sent out a baby Ispahan. Some of those canes are about 3 feet now and even more canes are coming.

floweraremusic I will try to save some petals next year. its an excellent idea. Do you just air dry the petals?

mad_gallica, I have so many Qs about CdeC and BP I am going to make another post!

An aside to Sheila: Ispahan is another rose that my husband, your word, bushwhacked because the big rose flopped in his way. When I looked at it this spring there were 10s of canes that were cut to about 18 inches and each of those bounced right back and sprouted another thick cane cane near where it was cut! Most people might not test Ispahan's mettle this far but this is one indomitable rose.

Katy I would absolutely love a baby Ispahan off of your fragrant one. I love mine to death, but can never catch a scent from it hardly, so always disappointed when you stick your nose to the bloom. I am going to try and pm you I'll let you know if it goes through.

I tried to pm you but was unable you may not have it set up.

Alana, mine from Northland is very fragrant. That's the main reason I love that rose.

Katya, I put petals and buds in a bowl and mix them up with my fingers every time I pass. They dry fine that way, but if you're in a very humid climate, you could dry them on paper towels.

Katy, so glad Ispahan rebounded from the bushwacking. My husband weedwacked two out of three Hyperion daylilies last summer. I put stakes by them after the fact, and he avoided them this year. The only one he did not wack is blooming now. Hopefully, all three will bloom next year. I hate to have to follow my husband around with a stun gun. I really don't have the time. His problem is he doesn't know where everything is because I'm the main planter. Life is a struggle at times.

Sheila, you are a hoot.

Thanks Flowers!!!

Alana, here is a picture of the baby plant to the right of parent Ispahan

I have never removed a sucker plant and I have never mailed a plant and its hot summer on top of that. If the Ispahan from NR is known to be fragrant maybe that is a better way to go?

Sheila I dont know about every daylily but the daylilies in my yard are pretty much indestructible. I have tried over and over to dig them out and remove them, they are in the most inopportune places. They always come back. Leave one cell behind in the soil and it grows back fully to the original daylily in two years. My guess is that you will have them back. :) Some personality traits in our spouses might be indestructible too?

Thank you flowers. Previously I have bought dried organic rose petals to make rose petal syrup and rose petal jam (can never get enough of the fragrance of roses). I dont know why I have never saved petals from my own roses..

Thank you for helping me make a good decision!

I sent you a email. It's really big. So I'll get one later. When money is right and mske shipping from them worth more. It's $40 for the one, with 20$ shipping. Thank you.

No problem Alana, if a small one comes out I have you in mind. I s___r I buy more plants, particularly roses, because of shipping charges. We are losing money if we dont buy more plants when the shipping charges are so high right? Smart strategy :)

Question for anyone who has Ispahan: Does it have attractive hips?

I haven't seen a single attractive hip on mine. But its blooms and fragrance are breath-taking.

Here, they just dry up. Maybe elsewhere.

Thanks for the info!

I remember reading a long time ago a book by an English gardener -- I think it was Christopher Lloyd--who stated matter of factly that after 10 years or so when his shrubs got too big for his borders he just got rid of them and started over. He had a garden that was on display, I guess, and had to be ruthless. I have a small garden and I'm now thinking of doing that very thing -- taking cuttings and starting over with some of my favorites.