Post a real measured layout. The kitchen looks oversized and the island appears to not respect the needed traffic pathways between points, or to leave enough room for people to pas.

Post the 2d plan, not the 3d plan

Also no rollouts. All drawers. Much more efficient

@GreenDesigns Unfortunately both of the cabinetry stores we talked to will not share 2D plan until we place the order.

Island to sink and fridge sides are both 42", island(seating side) to the wall is 41", the fourth side opens to dining area so plenty of opening there. Are 42" and 41" enough clearance?

@cpartist Unfortunately both of the cabinetry stores we talked to will not share 2D plan until we place the order.

We originally thought about having a few roll outs because the internal racks are height adjustable in case we have something tall to put in there, like instant pot, or a mini toaster. Is that not worth it?

Hi Everyone

Here is a 2d overhead view we tried to draw up.

It shows the 42" walkway around the sides of the island (and a 40 against the back wall)

No one will give you a design because you have not paid for design work. Real design work costs money. It isn’t free. You are a looky Lou who is a price shopper not at all concerned about the poor quality of the materials or ideas, which you have gotten in abundance.. You have been working with cabinet sellers.

You need to hire an actual Kitchen Designer. And you need to put some skin in the game by paying them for design work. Up front.

Your clearances are terrible, and that is not a workable design.

On the question of pullouts, yes, some people (me included) prefer having some lower cabinets as pullouts. I like this for any shallow lower cabinet (12") because a drawer for a 12" deep cabinet seems crazy short (pullouts also seem silly on 12" cabinets). And on one of my full depth lower cabs I had 3 pullouts put in for baking pans and leftover containers. I love that cabinet and I am so glad I did not do drawers there.

With your dining area right there, I don't know that you NEED seating at the island, but it is a popular hangout when friends come over so I understand the appeal.

What are your goals for the kitchen? Do you do any unusual cooking or are you a big baker?

Aside from aisle widths, it is a workable design--items go from fridge, to sink, to prep area, to cooktop.

It would be better if the pantry was on the outside wall, with the entry to the kitchen below, so that traffic doesn't need to enter the kitchen work area, but if this is a remodel, that might not be an option.

There is no need to have the island depth of 49". If you use one row of standard depth base cabinets, with a 15" seating overhang (minimum recommended by the NKBA), then you can get by with 40-41"--depending on the thickness of the back panel--and add those extra inches to the seating aisle.

Also, check on the slab length for the island material; a 10 foot top might not be possible without a seam.

How about a garbage/recycle pullout?

Do you need to have the cabinets along the entire back side of the island? Could you have the barstools on the part that is more shallow rather than on the end? Your pantry seems large and you do have a good number of cabinets so maybe those could go? Or perhaps one barstool on the back and one on the side? Just a thought.

Thanks all for the good feedback!

@Pam AWe don't bake as much as we used to. Mostly roasting veggies and potatoes. We do want to do stir frying/wok cooking, which is why a big goal of the remodel was to move the stove from the island (where it currently sits) to the wall, so we can externally vent a powerful range. (We purchased a BlueStar RNB366BV2NG!)

@mama goose_gw zn6OHYes it is a remodel, so moving the pantry is probably out of the scope of the remodel. How much clearance do you think is enough? We were targeting 42 for work aisles, and ~39-40 where people would just be sitting. Although we do note in the floor plan that only part of 1 seat has a wall behind it, the rest of the island that has seating is open to the living room/breakfast room. Also thanks, we did check and most all the slabs of the styles we are looking at run 120-130".

Also, we planned 40 because we tried having someone sit at a bar with 40" clearance and it seemed OK clearance to still have someone walk behind them.

@Beth H.Right now there is about ~41 inches between the wall oven and fridge? The oven door is 27". So we did try, with 13 inch gap on open we can stand in front of it and open, but if we want to crouch down next to it, looks like it would take about 48 inches of clearance between the wall oven to the fridge. How much do you think is a good amount if the door is 27"? If we wanted 48" of clearance, we could just shrink the cabinets next to the fridge, and move the fridge down that wall by 8-12" (depending how much we needed/wanted).

On the 2 dishwashers. We realize it is a bit extra, but from experience at our current place, we have to run a new load of dishes almost every other day (usually 3 times a week) since we eat most dinners at home, and meal prep so have dishes from lunches and breakfast. We're also both out from 9AM-8PM M-F, and most days have to WFH some after dinner before bed, so we end up having dishes pile up in the sink as we have not had the time/energy to unload the previous load from the dishwasher. So we really wanted 2 dishwashers to have a "ring buffer" where we unload 1 clean one in use as we fill the other 1 with dirties, to avoid having the build up in the sink and to speed up the process of doing dishes.

@lopipopiThe double trash/recycle pullout right now is on the end of the island directly across from the sink.

@Chris T Thats kind of what we have in the plan now? The back row has 1 36" full depth lower. And the other 2 36" ones are half depth. So there is a 12" overhang on 2/3 of the back side, and on the shallow end facing the breakfast room.

Thanks again to everyone who provided suggestions/feedback again! It's a lot of information and all the help has been really useful to give us ideas on what to think about/pay attention to.

I’m wondering if you need the cabinets on the backside of the island, esp since you have the walk in pantry for extra storage. The cabs under the counter aren’t the easiest to access since you have to squat under to get at them.

Like mama-goose suggested, If you just do the depth of 1 set of regular depth + 18” over hang - that gives you 8 extra inches to play with. I get that you tried the 40” walkway it and felt ok, but I know I’d appreciate the extra room in that aisle on a regular basis more than the tucked-away storage under the island

If you’re baking less and are installing a range, maybe the second wall oven isn’t necessary? That would help alleviate the space concern with having it in the ‘corner’

@damiarain Thanks for the suggestions. I think the only thing about going to a shallower island (single regular depth deep) is then it feels like the length vs width would be off, so would have to cut the length in proportion also?

I think also one thing we were thinking is, only 1 of the seats actually backs to the wall.

So the wall behind the island is 66" wide. The island starts a bit past the wall, and has a 36" cabinet (full depth) before the overhang begins. So if we have 72 inches of counter with overhang and let 3 people sit on that side, 2 of the seats actually have no wall behind them at all. Same is true for the 2 seats on the narrow side of the island. Our thought is most the time we have maybe 2, at most 4 people at the island, so they would all sit where there is no wall behind them. Only in extreme cases would we try to squeeze a 5th person into the seat that has a wall behind it (More reasonably they would just sit at the breakfast table near the kitchen)

One thing which you did mention, we weren't sure how usable the 12" cabinets under the underhang would be (whether we could reach them without crouching), but were currently thinking putting rarely used items in there (like seasonal decorations/items and disposable utensils for rare large events).

Thanks again for everyones help!

I'd try to get the wall ovens out of the doorway by moving the fridge to the corner and putting the wall ovens where the fridge is now. Then where the ovens were continue with counter top and upper cabs. Maybe you can move the left dishwasher down enough to get a trash pull-out next to the sink.