Favorite Bourbon or Hybrid perpetual?
Kelly Tregaskis Collova
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Comments (33)Jeri - yes I did, but it was a long time ago and now I forget who told me, but it was probably someone at the Celebration of Old Roses. I think I was told it is Eugene de Beauharnais. The original picture I posted above is the first plant of this rose which I planted in the sun, and discovered it was NOT a once bloomer. Below is a pic of the original original rose, (planted by one of my DH's ancestors) still growing in mostly shade below the crab apple tree, Japanese quince, and several other roses. It blooms happily, but only in the Spring. I know the one above in my original post is the same rose, because I planted that one when the one below tip rooted and I dug up the baby plant. I know you grow EdB, Jeri - what do you think? Amazing fragrance on all three of mine - the strongest "old rose" fragrance of all of the roses I have. Jackie...See MoreHelp me choose Bourbons and Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (23)Jeri, Thanks for the feedback; I was hoping you'd write in. You must have posted your first message right when I began to write mine, and so I missed it. As to growing conditions, we have more winter chill and perhaps more summer heat than you, fog not too often during the growing season, heavy soil and perhaps not as alkaline as what you describe. It's significant that rust is practically unknown here, and blackspot isn't a major problem (though I don't like it when it shows up). Actually, when I'm not worrying about drought, landslides, (earthquakes,) and the economic policies of the Italian government, I'm inclined to think that we have a perfect environment for growing roses. (I'm beginning to think this country needs a revolution, AND all its politicians struck down by lightning from heaven: it seems the only way to get rid of them.) 'Gloire des Rosomanes' is probably available in Europe, but I don't believe is common in Italy: I don't remember ever seeing it offered for sale in this country, and no one I know has it. You bet I would like to have it. I seem to recall reading that it's confused in commerce with 'Nur Mahal', in Europe I believe. Taoseeker, Aha! Several years ago I too ordered 'Comte de Chambord', 'Mme. Boll', and 'Mme. Knorr' (from Schultheis in Germany) and ended up with what looked like three identical roses...a wonderful one, to be sure. Like you I'm wondering if there's a unique 'Mme. Knorr' in commerce. I have a fourth plant arrived from who knows where, that looks like these three, but I need to re-compare them all carefully to see whether there are differences. Thanks for reminding me of the dark Hybrid Perpetuals, a group I have no personal experience with, but consider worth looking into. I don't think 'Fantin-Latour' has much Centifolia about it either; I think it falls into the category of what Vintage calls Hybrid Bourbons. It's a wonderful rose, fragrant, vigorous, and healthy, and a pleasure just to handle. The Centifolias and Mosses generally do well for me, but I have easy conditions. With leggy plants sometimes I do have to prune harder: 'La Noblesse' is a good example, and I think I'll have to cut back 'Shailer's White Moss' more than I have in the past. This last rose, so beautiful, is showing bits of pink on a lot of its flowers this year. Suzy, after losing two purchased grafted plants of 'Hebe's Lip' (herbicide and mowing), I got cuttings in a swap and now have three plants of it growing around the property. They're young but growing fine and I'm looking forward to seeing them in their maturity. 'Coupe d'Hebe' is duly noted. Jaxondel, Okay, 'Marquis de Balbiano'; I'll keep it in mind. This is a great discussion. Melissa...See MoreNon climbing Bourbons, Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (7)Souvenir de St. Anne's was very promising but I had to take it out because the blooms with few petals fried very quickly in my extreme radiant heat. For you it should be beautiful. Romaggi Plot Bourbon is another beautiful small Bourbon but it also was too delicate for the heat here. It's a lovely rose. Leveson-Gower is supposedly a sport of SdlM but that is disputed. A comment in HMFR states it's less disease-resistant than SdlM. I've grown it and it has a more shaggy look to the blooms....See MoreRemembering the Hybrid Perpetuals
Comments (16)You are correct, Jenny Duval is not a Hybrid Perpetual. It is one of those roses that experts are still arguing about his past and where to place it. They even think it isn't Jenny Duval but is ( I think) President de Seze. Baron de Bonstetten was a close personal friend of the French hybridizer. He grows tall and upright in my garden. He is a favourite because the flowers are alway neat and shapely. I don't like the bad hair day look. They are also very fragrant and the red is a really deep rich red . IMO he is one of the best deep reds....See Moreingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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