It just ended; it was painful to watch.

To those of us who don't watch this show anymore, what happened?

I have it recorded, so will watch later. We were out celebrating DD’s birthday last night. No spoilers please.

And thanks Glenda for the heads up.

edited to add, RBsewing, after reading that my comment about spoilers was being unhelpful, please note that the characters in this series have changed very much. You might be lost if someone had to explain anything other than the general story line. I might say differently after viewing the episode.

I don’t know why people feel the need to jump on every little thing that is said, innocently these days. So I may take a break from the KT for a while.

Stopped watching that show a milion episodes ago. Sorry but w/o a spoiler as you call it or information...this helps no one. What did they say that has't been said a million times over on SVU/Law and Order?

True, arcy. I certainly dont mind hearing the story line, but didn’t want to hear full details, and would hope anyone would understand that.

I still watch it although it has turned into something different from the original first few years. If you haven’t watched in a while you wouldn’t understand some of the characters.

Weird that I watched this show last night for the first time in YEARS. I must say, I was moved to tears a couple of times. With the assault victim, but also the lady who gave her baby away. I thought the reaction of the "mother" when the "baby" went to touch her hand was odd. Pulling away like that? My question is the lady that played the baby, is she Korev's (sp) wife and was she the doctor of the assault victim? She seems very physically generic to me, and I wasn't sure if it was the same actor. Also, is the "mother" a regular character, or only for the arc of the show dealing with the girl/woman finding her birth parent?

I thought it was really well done and was moved to tears, too. Probably the best episode they've done in years.

Sure, the subject has been covered before, but not everyone watches the shows you've mentioned, Arcy. I don't and never have. And there are younger people who haven't watched those shows, either, so they're likely reaching a whole new audience. I should have stopped watching a long time ago, too, but watch for old time's sake, I guess. Grey's isn't as good as it used to be, that's for sure.

Perhaps when someone starts a thread about a show's episode, the word "spoilers" or "possible spoilers" could be used in the subject so we can discuss without waiting for everyone to catch up. That way people who haven't watched yet can avoid the thread altogether until they have had the opportunity to watch.

Sleeper, yes, the woman who was the assault victim's doctor was the same woman who visited her mother, who gave her up for adoption years ago. Dr. Jo Korev had just visited her birth mother just prior (the day before??) to the assault victim showing up in the hospital. The birth mother was only in that episode - we haven't seen her before. Jo knows she was abandoned by her birth mother at a police or fire station, but didn't know why.

Last night was probably the first time I have ever watched that show. And I missed the first 15 minutes or so of it. So I know absolutely nothing about any of the characters or any of the storyline. What I did see of it was very moving, and chances are pretty good I will tune in to it again. Seems like medical and hospital based shows are my new 'addiction', and I'm having withdrawal symptoms from 'The Good Doctor' and 'New Amsterdam'.

"Isn't it obvious that when the title of the post is a TV show, the thread will talk about what occurred in the show? "

I agree with that comment 100%! If you don't want 'spoilers', just skip the thread until after you've watched the show.

Rusty

We regularly watch Gray's. It was a good episode. I do the same thing for the shows I watch like the survivor posts. I record it and avoid the post till I have watched the show. I assume there can be spoilers.

I've probably watched every single show of Grey's since the beginning. So there's no catching up to explain to those who don't. It's about sexual assault on women and Jo finding her birth mother. To those who don't watch the show, it's kinda meaningless. It's still a very popular show and Ellen P is the highest paid actor on TV. Well written over all these years.

I've always loved Grey's! Kudos to them for addressing social issues.

I did thought the episode was excellent - a very tough topic extremely well done. I too have watched every episode over the years. Some episodes/storylines are silly but when they tackle important themes they excel. I recall shortly after my son died and whose organs we donated, there was an episode showing the sensitivity and respect doctors exhibited toward the donor and his family. It was comforting.

It had me in tears until the end and after also. basically, the show dealt with a very violent rape and the emotions the victim goes through. The message gave full support for the victim from all the women in the hospital and also her husband. I am so thankful that the victim filed charges with the police and a resource for real life victims was given. No women is ever at fault for a rape!

I thought the entire Jo and birth mother part just didn't ring true at all. A healthy white infant ended up never being adopted and was in multiple foster care situations her entire childhood? Not likely at all. Such a baby would have had multiple good homes awaiting her. And all that anger! Wow! Just "wow". I hope my adopted grandson never feels that way about his own birth mother. She did what she believed was best and I think it has been. Many a woman has given up a baby for adoption when she was young and doesn't necessarily ever share that fact with the family she eventually had. There are many reasons for this and this right must be respected by all. I would hate to think of my grandson's birth mother knocking on my son's door and insisting on seeing "her son". He knows he's adopted, but that is very intrusive.

It came across as very "anti-adoption" and more "pro-abortion". I have on intention of getting into the pro or anti abortion thing here or on any forum. I'm just saying that I think it's unfortunate today that adoption is looked on less and less as an option. Most think it's either keep the baby or terminate the pregnancy.

My son's life would be greatly diminished without his own son in his life. He also has a biological daughter, but at the time they adopted, they did not know if his then-wife would ever be able to get of methotrexate - one cannot take this when pregnant. She did get in remission and their daughter was born.

My SIL was adopted. Her two children are also adopted. Shows like this don't help young women see this as a choice, and it's very unfortunate for childless couples who would prefer a "healthy white infant" when so few are available already.

It was an excellent show!

Powerful. I just watched it, thank you for your post Glenda.

A healthy white infant ended up never being adopted and was in multiple foster care situations her entire childhood? Not likely at all. Such a baby would have had multiple good homes awaiting her.

What a clueless comment.

Why do you say that, Catticus? I agree completely with what Anglo said. A healthy white baby girl would have been snatched up by a loving family back then and now also. That part of the show did not ring true with me at all, but made for good drama.

Not "clueless" at all! I am very familiar with the Gladney agency in Ft Worth. It's the agency many, many people would like to use (and I know people who have). So many that they no longer put how many applied and how many were accepted to adopt, and how long it took, on their web site (they used to do so). But the statistic that IS there is that in 2017, they placed only 128 infants through their "Domestic" program, and that includes children of ALL races. About 15 years ago, that figure was in the mid-300's. That is what is happening today.

For a white couple wanting a healthy white infant (and is that really so wrong?), it has become very difficult to find a baby to adopt, especially through an agency that does all the very important checks of family and birth mother. Many couples do private adoptions but they may be fraught with peril, both legally and otherwise. And many of these are really just "buying" a baby as the birth mother suddenly needs "living expenses" that would allow her to live in the Carlyle Hotel in NYC during her entire pregnancy.

I fully understand why many looking to adopt do not want a child of a race other than their own (it does come with problems FOR THE CHILD at some point - I know people who have done this), nor do they want a foreign child. A few years ago, Russian babies were in great demand - they looked "european" and they were available quickly. They were in demand until these babies started showing signs of fetal alcohol syndrome. Utter disaster!

More and more young people are delaying marriage and children until they are not really young, they are middle-aged. And they then discover that their fertility is not what they had hoped for. They spend a fortune on IVF or surrogacy (often with an egg donor) and anything else technology can offer, as there are so few white infants out there to adopt.

If I were looking to adopt, I sure wouldn't want that now grown baby showing up unannounced on my doorstep and then telling me I had ruined her childhood - actually her entire life.

I thought this was a stand-alone episode and one does not need background knowlege to relate to the realistic portrayals of the implications of sexual violence and trauma.

The post-Kavanaugh message sent to women and men was that consent is irrelevant, that it doesn't matter at all. The all female-led "Grey's Anatomy" used this opportunity to teach men and women about consent in a sensitive multifaceted way. It was incredibly powerful to see Abby's trauma reflected in the doctors' desire to give her agency in her treatment while holding their own emotions in check; then reinforced by asking for her affirmative consent before each heartbreaking step involved in collecting evidence for the rape kit. The final layer of consent was added when the step-father teaches his teen son to just "stop" when a girl says so. Yes, it's really that simple.

It effectively depicted the generational effects of sexual violence and the long-term damage inflicted on those who have been impacted by rape and assault.

"They were in demand until these babies started showing signs of fetal alcohol syndrome. Utter disaster!" Disaster for whom?

Yes, heaven forbid that a privileged American couple buys a baby and it's "imperfect"!! How awful for them....those who are saying they want to provide a loving home for a baby/child. But that baby dare not have problems unknown until sometime later. What about the opportunity to provide care and services to a child with problems? There are no guarantees in adoption, nor should there be, just like there are no guarantees in pregnancy.

Americans think they are entitled to a child however they can get one. But unless they're specifically and compassionately looking for a special needs child, they think they are entitled to a perfect child. They plop down their money and they expect a guarantee. Makes me sick.

It was a powerful show and probably had many women contacting the hotline at the end. But my daughter and I both thought that it was unrealistic a woman would not get an abortion when the pregnancy was the result of a violent rape. Just looking at the child would bring back traumatic images.

I don’t think any parent, birth or adoptive believes his child will always be perfect. If I had given birth to a child with significant health issues, I would have prayed for strength and wisdom to rise to the occasion. But I would never have adopted such a child. Those who will do this are candidates for sainthood in my book. But I’m not.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is a profoundly debilitating disease. There is no cure. The prognosis for such a child is not good. To believe one was adopting a healthy child and then discover this (which the agency in Russia had to know about) is catastrophic- emotionally and financially. They were lied to. This is hardly the same as having a child you later is discovered to have a health issue - that can happen to any child. This is very different.

Not all people who adopt are “privileged “. Many make significant financial sacrifices and many agencies do offer financial aid. Your class prejudice is showing and it’s very unattractive.

Well if THAT isn't the pot calling the kettle black!

Olychick, you seem to be quite angry. And your response above in regards to the motivations and intentions of all "Americans" is disgusting. Your response is appalling.

Many Russian children were adopted by foreign couples, without the adoption agencies advising said couples that the children had severe mental/behavioral problems. Not everyone is equipped to care for a potentially violent child, and not everyone wants to do so. And no one should be expected to accept a situation they did not agree to.