Peggy Martin can be enormous China Doll is like a very small version of PM i dont believe either are repeat bloomers...

OK, then how about Cl Pinkie? There is too much visual similarity between that China Doll/Pinkie/Peggy Martin line...

Get China Doll and Cl Pinkie and let them sit in Brackish or salt water for a week or so and see if they die lol.

I had pinkie , it was fragrant , rebloomed more frequently and had looser lighter but not by much pink blooms. Definitely different! Peggy seems it would repeat in a better climate. Mine set new buds super late here .. October I think. A few managed to open before hard freeze got them. No fragrance at all. I wish I had pinky in its place personally.

I remember someone on the HMF page for "Peggy Martin" stating that while similar, they're still different if seen in-person. Having grown neither myself, I can't offer an opinion of my own.

:-)

~Christopher

Thank you. I've never been attracted to Cl Pinkie (ever!) but have encountered it repeatedly over the years. I have also encountered Peggy Martin several times and it didn't appeal to me, either, for the same reasons Pinkie didn't. Both have the same feel as Margo Koster to me. I hate the color of the foliage and the flower color is harsh and hard, like Pink Flower Carpet. But, there is a lot about them to make be feel there is a strong connection there. Even if it is a "yucky" one.

I'll admit Peggy M doesn't make anyone gasp at the beauty of the blooms, but I would suggest it has a place, not in every garden, but in enough that it's a valuable rose. We know it can survive just about anything and it's the best short fence climber I've ever seen. I think it would be beautiful covering the side of an out building or provide shade on a porch. She doesn't require pruning to bloom, and that is a plus for such a big climbing shrub. And, for those of us in cold zones, she's a pretty decent option. Some of the Canadian roses we depend on, like Wm. Baffin, don't have to-die-for gorgeous blooms, but they provide a massive wall of color. While the individual blooms are not exceptional, the entire bush as a whole is breathtaking.

See Garden nut's photo for it's covering ability. [https://www.houzz.com/discussions/show-off-your-beautiful-climbing-roses-dsvw-vd~5609898?n=70[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/show-off-your-beautiful-climbing-roses-dsvw-vd~5609898?n=70) Scroll way down.

Fruit Cat's Peggy paired with Happy Jack clematis, third pic down, is one of the most beautiful photos on these forums, in my opinion. [https://www.houzz.com/discussions/peggy-martin-happy-jack-purple-clematis-dsvw-vd~5281013?n=13[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/peggy-martin-happy-jack-purple-clematis-dsvw-vd~5281013?n=13)

When we don't like a rose, no amount of cajoling can suddenly make us change our minds. It's all so personal and that makes our gardens personal as they should be.

Peggy Martin does have some summer repeat in my garden. it is not as big as the spring or fall flush but it does get scattered clusters during the summer. I had read somewhere that the one in the Sacramento historic rose garden supposedly repeats throughout the season.

Gardennut your PM is so pretty! I grow both climbing pinkie and PM, while neither are my favorite I do have a few things I like about them. Cl pinkie is a very vigorous grower and wafts for me in the spring making my yard smell amazing and it’s practically a no care rose and can take a good pruning and bounce back. PM puts on a good show for me in the spring and has a smattering of blooms in the fall, I have PM basically out of respect for a rose that survived Hurricane Katrina, got to love that!

I have tried 4 Cl Pinkie bands in my garden in zone 6a. They can’t take the cold here. Have 3 or 4 PM bands, last year one of them finally made it to 3’ tall. Will have to wait and see if they made through this cold winter.

summers Cl Pinkie has survived for me, but barely. I thought it was the poor position I had her in, but maybe she's just not hardy in what's probably a 6a pocket. I'm supposedly 6b, but she's at the bottom of a retaining wall where I suspect cold air collects. I guess if she does as poorly this spring, I'll move her out front and let her fend for herself. If she can't make it there, she can't make anywhere in my yard. Thanks for your experience. I've yet to plant out my two PMs. I'm putting those out front, but if they only bloom once, they may get moved to the back : ( P.S. they are very easy to root.

My experience is like Summers' - I can't keep Cl. Pinkie alive in zone 5 regardless of how much I protect. That makes me a little cautious about Peggy Martin since they seem similar like Kim says, but Flowers if you have grown it that might be an endorsement to give it a try. I have plenty of modest sized fences that need better coverage of roses.

Cynthia

Cynthia, mine were new own root bands last year. I planted one on an arbor, and the other is overwintering in the garage. The planted one is under a snow pack and the one in the garage looks great. It has grown quite a bit throughout winter. The reason I'm not too worried about it making it here is that Northland continues to sell it, and they don't sell anything that doesn't thrive in their display gardens. Once in a while she'll offer a zone 6 rose, but always with a mention about it's hardiness. There are a few z6 pockets in Spokane, but I'm way north of that. The nursery is in Spokane, but on a high plain where it gets super cold and windy. Pretty sure I'll move the one on the arbor because I fear it will get wider than tall.

I grow and love all 3 - I actually think the colors are really beautiful. To me the colors and the feeling of the flowers are quite different. PM is a deeper pink, with smaller flowers that, while not single, don't feel as double as CP, and sometimes display a white center. They are also smaller than CP's flowers. PM is tough as nails, and though its certainly not a constant bloomer, it has a fairly generous scattering of rebloom in the fall. I find that here in zone 6 NJ, Climbing Pinkie needs protection for the first 2 or 3 winters; after that, he's fine. Once established, again in 2-3 years, CP blooms pretty much all summer. For me, Weeping China Doll doesn't really seem to be a climber - I grow it in a tub as a big weeping shrub. Perhaps in the ground, or in a warmer climate, it would be more of a climber - here the canes just don't get that that long. Here are some pictures of CP, first a close up taken in late fall:

And here, a whole-plant view in the main season:

Here are some pictures of my PM on my pergola, including a close-up (the second picture):

Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of Weeping China doll, but I'd say its more like Climbing Pinkie than PM. It reblooms quite well all season.