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Comments (9)Average kitchen replacement remodels are 40K. That's just replacing the components. You're talking upper end appliances that can run you 20K plus cabinets that can run you 30-40K for a kitchen and a butler's pantry. You've got structural work and systems work and moving all of that work. Plus other components. I don't think that doubling your budget would be enough here for what you're proposing. You're going to have to scale back your finish level substantially. And either learn to DIY or still come up with 30K more than your budget. Plus a contingency fun in case they find something behind the walls. And they will. They always do with old houses. Such as, what size is your electrical panel? A lot of kitchen redos in older homes end up running all new service to the home because it doesn't contain enough capacity for the requirments of a modern kitchen. With a rental unit, you might be lucky enough to have that be fine, but you'll still need a lot of wiring to make another room into a kitchen. Do you have galvanized plumbing? How old is it even if it's not galvanized? What about the insulation level of the home? It's HVAC system? Is it two units for the two spaces? Your remodel will affect all of those items. It's late tonight and I have an early morning, but when I get a bit of time to look at your plans, I'll give it a go. But right off, I see some issues with your plans. Where do you park and enter the home? The proposed kitchen location doesn't appear to be close to either a rear entrance or the front entrance. That's a potential problem. If the apartment rear door will be the way groceries come in, I think I'd make the area that you have designated the new living room to be the new kitchen and the area you have designated to be the new kitchen as the dining room. But, there is a lot of duplicate space, and I think I'd consult an architect that specializes in renovations of older homes for some help in figuring out a plan here. I think you could get a pretty nice master suite out of one side of the home and have a TV room and a den out of the rest. The old apartment kitchen would make a fabulous sunroom/morning room type space....See MoreAnyone remove their pantry & put cabinets instead?Also 24' pantry
Comments (12)Honestly, I'm confused. How big is your pantry closet? 36" long x 24" deep? Or is it 36" long by 36" deep and you want to narrow the depth to 24" and put a 12" deep cabinet BEHIND it? I cannot picture this at all! Do you have cabinets next to the fridge right now or just a deep pantry closet? OK, well, you only have a coat closet if you completely get rid of the pantry closet, therefore I say that you must have at a minimum a 24"x24" utility / broom closet. As far as an actual "pantry" goes, it's hard to say without a floorplan. A well designed pantry is invaluable, a poorly designed pantry is a major waste of space. If you have a small kitchen and lack counterspace then you may be better off without a pantry, but usually that would be replacing it with 24" deep base cabs and 12" deep uppers. You still need storage space - the equivalent of what your pantry held at least. A "pantry" stores food. A "closet" stores non-food items such as cleaning supplies and, well, yes, dog food too. A pantry can be replaced with the equivalent in cabinets (drawer base - regular base cabs are just as bad as a poorly designed pantry). Food and non-food items should have separate storage spaces - otherwise you end up with a mess as you apparently have right now (as do I - my pantry is poorly designed and at the opposite end of the dining room diagonally across from the kitchen - I don't know what the builder was thinking). Note that a 24" deep pantry only works if it is a pull-out, otherwise 12-15" shelves are the way to go....See Morebasic attempt at kitchen layout with pix
Comments (28)I love your space! You've obviously put a lot of thought into it, and it looks wonderful. I love the sink under the big window. I also love the big message/junk area, which seems to command that junk not get left elsewhere. I also love the big island and the prep sink at that end, where it can also be used for handwashing on the way to the dining areas. I would only make a few changes to the kitchen layout. I don't like having the ovens in such a high traffic area for both safety and convenience issues. I'd put the ovens over in the corner where you have the cooktop, move the cooktop to the center of that wall to the right (I agree that your layout begs for a big cooktop and hood to make a beautiful focal point--I see a brick hearth look), and I'd move the fridge to where you now have the ovens. This would make the fridge more accessible to the dining area. It would also allow the MW to be next to the fridge, over near your snack zone, so your refrigerated and non-refrigerated snacks would all be together. The island could still serve as your landing area for the fridge. I would vote against moving your island out any more. You have 3'10" (46"), which is plenty of space. I ended up with 43" and wish I had less. I use my island as my main prep area, and the stove is behind me on the perimeter. I'd rather have a quick pivot than the step and a half that I now have. To me, 39-40" would be ideal, but I certainly wouldn't go wider than your current 46". My husband and I often cook together, and we have yet to bump butts, which was one of the warnings that led me to worry that 43" was too narrow. I think that we'd need much larger butts for bumping to be an issue--and ours are not tiny! The narrower aisle also discourages unnecessary traffic through your cooking zone....See MoreBasic Builder's Kitchen-Ideas Welcomed!
Comments (15)I think you should make a plan for your kitchen, before you dig in. In how many years, realistically, might you change the countertops or do a full gut-remodel? If you honestly think either one of those could be in the next 5 years, that would change my answer. My gut feeling is, you just bought this house and you have a lot of things to furnish and complete. If so, then I'm guessing you're 7-10 years out before a full-scale kitchen remodel? And in that case, I'd gently suggest you do the following: 1. Assuming your cabinets don't have peeling veneer, or details we can't see, then I would leave them dark as mayflower advised. 2. Get cabinet hardware as andrea advised. 3. Tile the backsplash. You could add instant bling by buying the cute mini-tiles, already on webbing at Home Depot. Some have a bit of metallic or jewel tones. With labor you could be at a $1,000 for this item alone, but I really think it would perk things up. Also, aesthetically, your top cabinets seem to be floating in a sea of wall right now. The backsplash will connect the bottom cabs to the top ones. Also, please continue the backsplash down behind the current stove 6 inches.(see point 4). 4. Replacing appliances: Mayflowers is correct that this would also update your room. I would replace the stove. But, since you MIGHT want to open up that wall, you could be looking at a stove on an island someday. So leave your options open: Buy a slide-in range that could be used against a wall or on an island. A backsplash will be even more useful then, because your stove won't stick up above counter-height. See the sample photo of a slide-in range that I've attached. If you were to replace any other appliances, my second choice would be a white fridge. Fridges have gotten so much more efficient, you will actually save some money on their operation. Somehow the D/W is less bothersome to me. Also, most busy families wear out a dishwasher every several years so I'd milk it to the end before replacing. 5. I am not sure you need to repaint unless you have worn spots from the previous owners. You have a nice neutral color on your walls. See what you find for your other accessories before deciding. Here is a link that might be useful: Sample of a slide-in range...See MoreUser
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