Vanderwolf limber pine in North Carolina
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Comments (50)I found the one I had back in the mid 1990s to be pretty hardy; the erstwhile management of Forestfarm said their seed came from one in some frost hollow of western WA that had seen very low temperatures by PNW standards. Current management of Forestfarm knows nothing about this...too bad they didn't keep better notes. And, I think this reflect a general thing going on with Forestfarm. They will still have rare plants but not someone - an owner-operator-plant-lover - going through the tedious steps to obtain the "best of all possible rare plants". (always time for a little Panglossian optimism!) I really don't think they are particularly susceptible to fungus for any reason other than having been pumped full of nitrogen to get them into fast growth...when sold as the decidedly odd looking 'mini Christmas trees'. They grow in Texas around the dry line, which certainly can be humid! Years ago someone posted a picture of some big ones in San Antonio. And also of course one grew in North Carolina. I think, south of say Richmond, VA, they are just under planted, and north of it, likely to die back in the coldest of winters....See MoreSuggestions for a Southern Garden
Comments (14)I'll weigh in here since I've killed my fair share of conifers in the Nashville area... Midtn gave a great list there for us. I would echo everything he said but would underscore that any hope of long term success with Abies has to be grafted on firma - otherwise the August cooker will get them if the July one doesn't. I also agree that some common sense about sun and water are critical here. I have a number of full sun cultivars in part shade and they are full, dense plants because of the strength of our light. I have learned a lot by keeping plants in pots for the first year and trialing in different light conditions. Water and drainage are critical here too with the clay problem that most of us have - amending with ground pine bark and gypsum has worked very well for me in the heaviest clay but you don't have to do that for everything. Taxodium, thuja, some picea, most pinus, and many cham. obtusa and pisifera cultivars can take that clay - these are the backbone of my garden and I lean heavily on the chamaecyparis. Don't waste your time with the cham. lawsonianas though, unless you have a fully raised bed and want to baby them. I grow 4 cultivars of lawsons under near-perfect conditions and 1/2 day sun- they do pretty well..I've killed twice that many when I got a degree or two away from perfect. Pinus is always great here and the variety is broad for our landscapes. The strobus cultivars are great - just trying flexilis brooms here this year. I have a couple of the golden mugos and P. V. Wate's Golden is a good bet for a larger tree with spectacular winter color- I've had one for 2 years and I'm starting to see them more every year. I'm trying a couple of scotch pines and the parvifloras do well for me in amended soil - I think they are a little trickier about drainange than many of the others, uncinata being the most demanding from what I hear (I have five doing very well in raised beds). I think it's very important to watch the plants you buy, inspect the grafts and the roots, water well and deep, and count on some losses. I'm watching a 6 foot cham. nootkatensis Van Den Akker die before my eyes this past week about 8 inches from the root ball and I have no idea why - healthy new growth below the death - go figure! Try stuff that it makes sense might do well with a little TLC - any areas that border woodlands that would offer some shade from the afternoon sun are perfect for conifers of all kinds in our area. Let us know what works well for you - you have a great looking piece of property there that will be a real showplace with a few years and a bunch of $$$$ ;-> There are some other folks lurking around from TN and GA - give it up! Where are you in TN? Zack...See MoreCan Limber Pine tolerate the heat.?
Comments (14)I'm not trying to start some pedantic argument - I guess the only point I was trying to make was that previous posts, If I understand them correctly, have pointed out that there is confusion about whether certain plants should be called strobiformis or reflexa - But that I don't think that means they are synonyms. I think dax, if I understand him correctly, was suggesting that they were. If I'm wrong that's ok. Not the first time won't be the last. BTW - I did see the 'latitudal' typo but didn't want to bust balls. I know latitudinal was intended. Now it occurs to me that it sounds like a new breed of dog. Like a labro-doodle. ROTFLMAO :)...See MoreGrowing conifers from the Med in VA - Can it work?
Comments (28)Resin: I appreciate your willingness to continue making suggestions, especially in light of my resistance. You have given me good ideas. Now I need to take field trips to W&M and the Botanical Garden in Norfolk. I'd love to find a conifers expert in this geographic area because it is quite different from most of the Southeast. Beng - Yes, there was something about the Aleppo pine that struck me too. You described it perfectly. I'd like to try growing it. I'll look into the Table Mountain pine and Resin's recommendations as well. David, you are right about our climate. We live on Stingray Point, at the end of a peninsula that juts out into the Bay. Being surrounded by a large body of water on three sides is a strong influence on our climate. Temps and humidity are much lower here than 2-3 miles away. The wind blows most of the time, but we are protected from winds out of the north and northeast by a band of trees. Winters are mild with the first freeze in late Nov to early Dec; last frost around mid-March. The Bay has a cooling effect in the spring and early summer - our temps are often 10 degrees lower than the nearest town 3 miles away. Yes, Pamela Harper lives a few miles south of here, as the crow flies. Now anyone reading this thread knows more than you wanted to know about SE VA. I am sorely tempted to ask about cedars (see photo #2 above) that can take a fair amount of wind, usually from the south, that may go on for weeks in the spring and summer. Given what you know about my climate, would Cedrus libani manage? Cedrus atlantica var. glauca? Neither? Other? Tomorrow is Thanksgiving so I give thanks for your patience and your help. I hope you have a peaceful, happy Thanksgiving. I'll be planting trees so I'll be happy! Pam...See More
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