Rose de Rescht but larger blooms?

5 years ago

So I had the opportunity to smell some roses today and I loved Sheilas Perfume, Crimson Glory, and most of all Rose de Rescht. I just didn't like the bloom size of Rose de Rescht. Is there something that is similar with larger blooms? The fragrance was the best of the day and I want that fragrance at home too, but I would love larger blooms :)

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oldrosarian

5 years ago

Rose de Rescht needs to be pruned hard because it has more flowers that the bush can support. Then you get a smaller bloom. It should also be pruned lightly after the first flush to get another good one.

The black marks are not BS. Some of the older roses get these marks on their leaves.

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ratdogheads z5b NH
5 years ago
That heavenly fragrance is from the damask rose. Most such roses will be once bloomers, but there are also Damask Perpetuals, a.k.a. Portland roses. Comte de Chambord is one popular Portland rose with large blooms; there is a current thread discussing Comte de Chambord.

I love Rose de Rescht - for the fragrance, the eye-catching color, and I really like the bush itself. It's also very hardy, which is important to me. It's one of my "must have" roses.

There are some very fragrant David Austin roses. If it's the color of you admire as well as the fragrance, look at the David Austin reds. Most DA reds have a magenta tone. Young Lycidas is the most purple, the blooms are large, fragrance is wonderful to me. Wise Portia is a similar color, but brighter, with very big blooms, fragrance, great repeat.
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pippacovalent
Original Author
5 years ago
You know, I was at the garden again today and again visited Rose de Rescht, and I just seem to love her more each time to the point that the smaller bloom size is growing on me. Today I was noticing just how brilliantly colored her blooms are and I think if they were larger the rose woukdnt ne aa charming overall. I think I'm going to have to buy her. Oh and that fragrance is just so fabulous. It makes other roses whose fragrance I like seem immature compared to the fragrance of Rose de Rescht.
Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA
5 years ago
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As much as I cherished my Rose de Rescht for its fragrance, the imbalance of foliage size to the small flower irked me to no end, the petal drop was super fast, and black spot plagued it constantly. I know popular opinion runs contrary to my statement, but I believe there are a myriad of other more garden worthy, OGR look alike, red, fragrant roses that give RdR a strong challenge. Munstead Wood, Shakespeare 2000, and Rouge Royale come to mind, right off the bat.

Moses
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Vaporvac Z6-OhioRiverValley
5 years ago
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That's an interesting observation, Moses. Which of your recommendations have you grown?
pippacovalent
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Moses I'll check into those too, thank you! I ordered Quietness by the way, and I did take note of your pruning recommendations from a few months ago...thanks!
rifis (zone 6b-7a NJ)
5 years ago
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Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA
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Vaporvac,

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Years ago I maintained an OGR only rose garden in which I grew Rose de Rescht, really a pink/mauve rose for me in my garden, and thereby formed my opinion on it.

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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
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nanadollZ7 SWIdaho
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That's The Prince above. Diane
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Kristine LeGault 8a pnw
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The Prince is a glorious
pippacovalent
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