Anna Olivier and Le Vesuve
jacqueline9CA
5 years ago
I don't cut many flowers for the house, except when I am having a dinner party. Of course, whenever I prune an old rose it is almost always blooming, so I keep the best ones and throw them in a bucket of water to take in to the house later. Here are some Anna Olivier blooms, and some from Le Vesuve.
I have actually been working in the garden each day for the last 3 days - today I will try and take some cuttings to root from my Le Vesuve - it is the last bush we have rooted from my old ancient (now gone) huge one. Two other bushes we rooted from it got about 6 ft by 6 ft, and then succumbed to downey mildew almost overnight (from first symptoms to totally dead in less than 2 weeks - both of them). They were both planted in the same place (different from where my last one is growing). None of the other rose near them got it. Do I really need to have my DH dig up all of the soil and throw it away?
Anyway, here is the pic of my pruning blooms:
Jackie
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
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Comments (17)All of the mature tea roses in my garden (Rosette Delizy, Anna Olivier, Le Vesuve, Duchesse de Brabant, Mme Joseph Schwartz, Safrano, Mme Alfred Carriere , Niles Cochet, Reve d"Or, Lamarque) get huge, except the ones growing in more than partial shade, which get large (over 7-8 feet in diameter). I have another half dozen baby ones, which I am watching. So far they are not eating the world, but I can hear them planning on doing so when I walk by them - sort of a faint growling noise. Actually, the only old roses of any kind in my garden which stay about 3-4 feet tall or shorter are all polyanthas, except for Eugene de Beauharnais, which is a china or a bourbon, or something. It is one of the old old original roses in our garden. Because it sends up sprouts from what I presume are runners from its roots, we now have 4 of them. None of them gets taller than 3 1/2 feet. Unfortunately, they are sort of wimpy in our climate. So, I am going to take the latest new one I discovered yesterday (inside of a bush of Gourmet Popcorn) and put it in a large pot and see if it is happier there than out in the wilds of our garden where it has to compete with other rampaging plants in my never neat-and-tidy garden. Jackie...See MoreCalling Zone 9: Hello?
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Comments (8)Last time I looked Vintage Gardens was selling the correct buff version, but only as a rose that they will specialty root for you if you order it - so it takes a while. They got theirs from cuttings from an old plant in my garden (at the time Gregg told me that the correct version was not in commerce in No America). The Historic Sacramento Cemetery has a plant which is still marked with its study name of "Schmidt's Buff Giant" - they have plant sales a few times a year, maybe you could convince them to root it for sale. If you ever get to No Cal I would be glad to give you cuttings - I have 3 plants of it now in my garden - the 90 plus year old original, and two that I rooted from it. jackie...See More
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