New water heater losing heat after 10 minutes
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Inexpensive way to heat water at bathroom that's far from heater?
Comments (5)Hi mongo- Thanks for your thoughts. I agree that the small pump and loop would be best, but I think too difficult at this point. Here's the situation: bathroom is over a VERY shallow crawl space (used to be about 5" between joist and dirt, but when we gutted the space my DH spent many sweaty days shoveling the CLAY soil out through a hole we cut in the wall. Ugh!) The only access to underneath the floor would be if we removed the tub and cut out the subfloor. Even then, there's only about 18-24" under there. The supply used to run in the exterior walls, and froze last winter. We (DH) rerouted the supply through the attic space (one story home). He ran it right along the sheetrock, and insulated the cold lines with that grey split stuff against summer condensation. Then he created a sort of "tent" or "tunnel" over both sets of pipes with that aluminum faced bubble-wrap type of insulation. All foamed tightly in place. On top of that is two layers of pink finerglass batt. It's certainly better insulated than it was before. Pipe is 3/4" PEX. At the interior bathroom wall, it turns down to supply shut-off valves accessible in the bathtub control panel. From there it runs under the bathroom floor, on the warm side of rigid insulation foamed tightly to the joists. I actually just got off the phone with a tech guy from one of the tankless on-demand companies. He says that the tankless option is do-able, but we'd need such an upgraded model that it wouldn't be worth it for the 30 seconds or so we'd save waiting. The only place to put it would be in the closet by the shut-offs (since that's the closest access we have). And since there's no way to add it to the sink-only plumbing (I don;t think: see below) it would have to be sized for the GPM the shower demands, otherwise even when it's not heating the water, since the hot water is running through it, it would reduce the flow at the shower too much. Since we have a showerhead AND handshower that sometimes run simultaneously, that would not do. And the higher GPM models are just too pricey. I was thinking I *might* be able to swing $125 or so by next fall if I saved. not $500 certainly. Our bath remodel and some medical emergencies have really drained us, I'm nervous about even buying fuel oil for the rest of the winter! The only space and access at the vanity itself is a 4" space between the wall and the back of the drawers. The vanity is all drawers, and was custom made, so we can't/won't modify it. I don't imagine any of the cheap heaters are like 3" deep? So, I will probably have to learn to live with it. Not a huge big deal. The shower and tub take very little time to warm up (higher GPM I guess) so its really the sinks that are the issue. We'll probably just live with it. Thanks!...See Morehot water heater for baseboard heating
Comments (26)Posted by scott2006 on Sun, Feb 18, 07 at 20:32... "Guys, The Legionnairs is nothing to fool with. My neighbor got it TWICE from the hot water tank. The 2nd time the health department finaly figured it out. What happen is hes an old guy living alone and wants to save money. He turns the tank off when he doesn't shower then turns it up just enough to take a warm shower. Then off it goes." Wow...this was not an issue for me. Our apartment in Singapore used a small 15 litre electric HW tank on a timer switch. This is a relatively common arrangement in the Lion City. Just push a button 20 minutes before needing hot water, and I was good-to-go. The timer ran only for an hour at a time. I'd have to push the button again if I wanted more. In a tropical climate, that was rarely necessary. We would sometimes go a couple of days between heating the tank. Other times, I'd forget to hit the timer until it was too late. It was warm water for my shower or the dishes at this point. I'd shut it off right after I was done, as there was no need for the heater to finish it's cycle. The hot (or sometimes warm) water fed the the shower, kitchen sink, and bathroom sink. I showered, washed dishes, and drank without ever getting sick from it. As-far-as-I-know, no-one has gotten Legionnaire's Disease from using luke-warm water in Singapore. I just wish more Asian countries would use S-traps for sinks and showers. P-traps are common in Singapore. No traps are common in Indonesia. Yuck. I guess that's a discussion for another thread. Peace. Marco...See MoreAnother question on heat pump water heaters...
Comments (2)You have an indirect tank water heater off a boiler? What fuel is the boiler and it's efficiency? Switching to a HP water heater with back up electric elements with that type of demand will probably cost more but I don't know what you currently have. One thing for sure there will be a long wait for the next shower after the first 10 minute shower. HP with electric backup will be a considerably slower recovery rate....See Morewater coil heat with relation to water heater usage
Comments (36)Nice price on electricity. I pay at least twice that. Here are some numbers for you, based on your figures: A kilowatt of electricity is about 3,413 BTUs, and is $0.0636, which works out to be 53,660 BTUs per dollar. Electricity is 100% efficient, meaning that there are no combustion losses that go up the chimney at your house. Propane has about 92,000 BTUs per gallon, and is $2.50 gallon, which works out to be about 36,800 BTUs per dollar. Your existing water heater is prolly on the order of 60% efficient, which means that 40% of the BTUs out of a gallon of propane end up going up the chimney, and not in your house. As such, you are getting about 22,000 BTUs per dollar out of it. If you went with a new water heater, such as the Polaris which is 95% efficient, you would be getting about 34,900 BTUs per dollar after combustion losses. Based on your posted information, electricity would be about 65% the cost of propane for heating with a 95% efficiency water heater, and 41% of the cost of propane using your existing water heater. An electric water heater won't work because they donÂt produce enough BTUs to keep up with the demand on the house. But an electric boiler might, depending on the model and how manu BTUs your house requires to keep it warm on the coldest day of the year. An electric boiler will require a lot of electricity, though, prolly on the order of 100 amps. A 200 amp electric service to your house would be the minimum needed to run the electric boiler. You still need to address the ducting losses through your attic. If yours are anything like mine were, that is half the problem right there....See MoreMongoCT
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