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Completely new to SFG. Need a 'shopping list', please.
Comments (8)Hi mom2sld; Reading your list I think you know what you need, but Ill summarize it for you and try to give you prices for what I know, I was just at Home Depot pricing out stuff for this season. Material Description ______ Quantity _ Cost Each _ Total Cost ------------------------------------------------------------- 2"x6"x8 (cut in half) ...... 4 ....... $6 ea. .... $24 1" blind slats (4" long) .... 12 ...... Free ...... 0 Peat Moss ................... 6 cu.ft. ............ $23 Compost, Various ............ 6 cu.ft. .$5-7 ...... $30 Vermiculite ................. ~6 cu.ft. ........... $30 Box 3-3.5" deck screws ...... 24 min. ............. ~$5 ...................................................------ ........................................ TOTAL ....$97 + tax Your prices will vary. Peat Moss  This stuff come in dry compressed bails usually in 2 cu ft ($9 ea), and 4-5 ($14 ea.), so youÂll need a 2cu. ft. bail and a 4cu. ft. bail. The large bail is heavy so get someone to help you with it. Compost ($5/per cubic foot of composted manure 6 bags ($7 for dehydrated 4 bags)- get yourself a nice selection if you can of composts, get some cow manure compost, some compost mixes, and maybe some sheep pooh too. Chicken manure is too strong and should be used judiciously. I also like seafood compost and you can typically get in New England. I recommend buying dehydrated compost manures when available, they cost a little more but you arenÂt paying for water, and you need less of it by 1/3rd I would say. My advice it to get someone nice at the store to help you and answer your questions, HD/Lowes tends to be hectic, so try a nice garden center. Vermiculite ($20 for 4 cu. ft.) - (not Perlite it is different) call ahead and find out what they have, HomeDept here in the Boston area doesnÂt carry it. I checked to see if LoweÂs website says they carry it and they donÂt say. I have to go to Mahoney in Woburn, MA to find it. Try a real garden center or farm stores in your area. Deck screws  buy a box they will be cheaper then buying them individually, and get a few extras. Have you ever looked for a screw in a lawn? Lumber  Douglas Fir sound great. Just avoid pressure treated stuff, you donÂt want it near your food. Have the folks their cut it in half for you, it depends on the place but often the 1st cut is free, each following cut it 50 cents to a buck. Might I suggest you call around to Home Dept, Lowes, or your local home/garden/building center and see what their prices are and find out what they carry. Also once you decide where youÂre going call ahead and see if they will put the order together for you and have it waiting. It will make it easier for you and the toddler. Then you can just pay for it, chat a little and have some nice person that works there bring it out to your car for you. How big is your car anyhow? Will it fit 16 to 18 cubic feet of garden supplies plus 8 x 2x6x4ft in it? I ask because you might need to make a couple of trips. If you end up doing this you can go shopping at different places and get the best price possible. Other nice places to get gardening materials that I know exist in New England is Agway & Blue Seal and they will have the stuff waiting for you and load it for you too. Plus, you should bring a tarp to put all this stuff on if you have anything other than a truck. These bags seem to always leak and having the car/SUV/van smell like manure all summer well youÂve been warned.. I would like to suggest that you just stick to MelÂs methods & formulas for a couple years until you get the hang of it. The SFG method is really designed for you to succeed so donÂt look for formulas other than what he recommends for now. If your garden succeeds you will probably be garden the rest of your life and will be able to make changes in the decades to come. To answer your other questions more directly: "As for the mix, can someone please tell me exactly what to get and about what it will cost?" : See list above. Are there names/brands to look for or avoid? : IMHO not really, itÂs all composted animal pooh. Get dehydrated if you have a choice more volume for the buck. "Will I be able to get everything at Lowes/Home Depot? If not, where?" : You will be able to get almost everything from either. I suggest you let you fingers do the walking, and as I suggested see if they can have the order ready for you when you arrive. Call them the day before to give them some time to put it together. IMHO: you might like to buy from a local business too such as Agway, Blue Seal, a local green house, and hardware/home builder store, this will get you started in being part of your local community. Also when you need advice or help the small places tend to have less turnover in staff, so next year you can talk to Bill the Garden guy because he still works there. The smaller places will put your order together for you and are happy to have your business. To get the Vermiculite you will have to go to a specialty place since I donÂt think HD or Lowes has it. "I haven't started composting yet, so I will have to purchase that too. Is it sold in these stores? " : Yes composted manure is sold at HD & Lowes although their selection is not as broad as a garden center. They usually only have cow and one other compost mixture. "Has anyone not used Mel's mix, but a different mixture with great results?" : as I said earlier stick to MelÂs method for a couple of years before you use something someone else has developed. SFG is designed to help you succeed. More experienced gardeners develop there own formulas for there own reasons, which they donÂt always remember the reasons why. Backyard gardening is more an art form then a science. MelÂs method reduces it to a science that you can learn the art form from. "For the two 4x4 gardens I described above, about how much will it cost to start? $50? More, less?" : It will run you just over 100 bucks, see list above. Since you say you are so busy and canÂt take the time to scrounge materials youÂll have to pay retail. Composting: you seem to express and interest in composting, which will be essential to keep your garden going in the years to come. There is a nice composting forum here at GardenWeb, but I suggest you get a little book that teaches you a method too. Mel does a good job getting you started. Composting is not hard but it CAN take a little trial and error. ItÂs not rocket science, but be careful what you put in your pile. If you are not sure if something belongs in the pile leave it out until you know it is safe. Your local town Parks/Recreational or Trash department might actually have compost bins for sale at a discount. Or a friend of yours might live in a town that can get it for you cheaper. A simple bin cost is $25 ea, better bins about $50 ea. Let me say, "Welcome to the wonderful world of gardening." I hope we can help you succeed at your first attempt. CloneZero PS Sorry the list is not very readable but the forums editor software ripped all my space formatting out....See MoreMenu Planning / Shopping Apps
Comments (1)I have and LOVE "Out of Milk". It is a shopping list. Until very recently it was only available for android (which I have), but I got an email yesterday telling me that it is now available for iphone (which DH has). When he got the iphone, I got his android and he was pretty bummed that he couldn't have Out of Milk. He had tried some of the other shopping list apps, but really liked this one best. It is free, but you can get more options if you purchase for a minimal $1.99. He downloaded it yesterday and played with it for a bit. You can also make changes to your list online and it will sync with your iphone. Can't help with anything other than the shopping list....See MoreMenu RECALL April 2 again (10 dog, 20 cat products)
Comments (8)My understanding of this Menu recall is that some customers had reported issues - and the food in question (unkown) was not one that contained wheat gluten. Because they have no way of knowing if other foods are OK or not, and probably because they were so highly criticized for their handling of the initial recall, all foods with possible cross contamination were recalled. However, even with FDA now finally admitting deaths are in the thousands, I would rather play safe and have my pet tested if a food was recalled....See MoreHelp with my shopping list :)
Comments (17)Hi Julie I have or have grown a lot of the roses you list, so I can comment on hardiness, rebloom, and general appeal. Don't trust my nose on fragrance, however, as I have so many allergies it needs to be Francois Dubreuil before I can smell it. Autumn Sunset - mine has survived wretched conditions in a zone 4 pocket and mostly shade for about 6 years, so I finally took pity on it and bought another plant to put in much better conditions. It hasn't bloomed much under those conditions, but it's a survivor for me. Brass Band - hardy in z5? - not in my zone 5, though I'm trying it a third time in a protected pocket of the yard that's effectively zone 6. Cheshire - same as above, only survives in my zone 6 pocket.Deuil de Dr. Reynaud - mine is in part shade which might explain its scattered bloom, but I don't get much rebloom from mine. It seems to be hardy enough, just not noticeable where I have it. Distant Drums - I love this one enough to have two of them. Not a terrific rebloomer but reasonably hardy, and the color mix is to die for. Dr. Robert Korns - died on me once, but that doesn't mean it isn't hardy Easter Basket - has survived in an average spot of the yard and puts out lovely little ruffled blooms off and on all summer. Hardy enough to try. Enfant de France - survives in the zone 4 part of my yard, so I'd give it points for hardiness. I haven't noticed very frequent bloom, but it's still young Excellenz von Schubert - I'll echo the comments above that mine is essentially a once-bloomer and an octopus-armed one at that. The flowers aren't interesting enough to warrant the once-blooming, but it's in a tough spot so I let it stay.Golden Buddha - I really like this one. Paul Barden has some terrific roses, and this one really glows and bloomed all summer even in its first year. I lost one previously to gardener error, but it was hardy enough for zone 5. Granny Grimmetts - I lost one of these several years ago so it's probably only marginally hardy. There are more hardy HPs - Sydonie has bloomed regularly and kept canes much better, for instance. Gruss an Aachen - I had mine for 6 years or so and it was OK hardy, though I never really warmed to the blooms. They were a muddy cream for me and I'm not all that tempted to replace it. Still, it's reasonably hardy. Janet Inada - died once on me but I think it was the spot. I'm watching Rogue Valley to see if I can replace it. Jeri Jennings - hardy in z5? Sadly, no, and I've tried three times. I'll give it one more try in my protected zone 6 spot, for the name alone (smile), but it is likely to be marginally hardy even there. Lafter - survives just fine in my zone 4 pocket, so robustly hardy elsewhere. Not a terrific rebloomer where I have it, but it's in part shade. The color is nice. Larry Daniels - Blooms fine in part shade and has some cane surviving most years. Nice light pink blooms, but not as nice as Grandmother's Hat Lyda Rose - Survived into its second year this year, but I don't think I've seen it bloom. No surviving cane, but few of my roses had that anyway. Marchesa Boccella - who knows if I have this or Jacques Cartier? Either way, it's pretty hardy for me and blooms some in part shade. I should give it a better spot as it has a nice old fashioned look and at least some scent. Mrs. John Laing - not hardy for me in an average spot, though I may try it one more time. Munstead Wood - wonderful, highly recommended deep purple Austin. One of his better roses, and comfortably hardy in our zone. If you like this color, you should definitely try the new Kordes Dark Desire. It is perfectly stunning and seems quite hardy as well.Oshun - didn't survive on its first try, which is odd as I think Paul lists it as hardy to zone 3. Might have been a fluke, and it's also on my wish list at Rogue Valley Pam's Choice - dearly love the color of this rose and worth the time and space. It blooms fairly regularly, but to be safe I planted it in my zone 5 pocket as the russet roses have a tendency to be wimps. So far it has done fine, but I'd give it a protected spot. cl. Pinkie? Fragrance? - Climbing Pinkie hasn't survived in two or three tries, which is particularly troublesome in a climber. I wouldn't go there. Perle d'Or - Mine has survived 6 winters or so and is quite hardy. I'm not as sold on the blooms as other folks, as I find them a bit scruffy and muddy, and mine doesn't rebloom in part shade as well as it might in more sun. Pink Enchantment - lovely blooms, nice form, and hardy. Even better than this is Beverly, also a Kordes Portland from Glendora - this one didn't survive in the first try but did on the second. It's still too young to bloom much, but it seems happy enough, though not as big as advertised yet. Prairie Harvest - haven't grown this one, but Prairie Sunrise has fluffy apricot blooms to die for and it's hardy to my zone 4 pocket. Ditto for Heaven on Earth and Folksinger. Pretty Jessica - hardy and stays small as advertised. Just hit its third year, so not yet as prolific as I'd like, but earns its keep. Rose de Rescht - I tried this first in my zone 4 pocket and it didn't survive there, but I have it on order this year for a normal spot and I think it will do well there. St. Elisabeth of Hungary - a much under-appreciated rose. Totally hardy and happy even though it tends toward lavender (a usually wimpy color). This one has the form and bushiness of an Austin with more interest to the blooms in many ways. I highly recommend this one. Sydonie - one of the few roses that had surviving cane beyond the climbers and a prolific bloomer even in its second year in part shade. I highly recommend this one among OGRs. Hope this helps! You have some great choices, and I'm sure we could help add to your wish list, but you seem to be doing fine on your own. Of course we'll want pictures when you're done. Cynthia C...See MoreRNmomof2 zone 5
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