I see one long branch that looks like it's broken. Can you show the entire plant? Can you tell if it was grafted?

I suspect that McKenzie could do a lot better, if he's selling the same varieties.

Had you considered Harris Citrus Nursery?

Logee’s is notorious for their small tree size. (Mine did put on a lot of growth their first few months, but didn’t do well through the winter) I’m not sure about McKenzie, but with FW, it depends on the variety. I’ve recently seen nice and full entry sized (pixie), but the last shipment of ST lemons from FW were twigs. Harris smallest size is long and skinny, with very little branching. Our options are very limited and it makes me fly into a tiny bit of a jealous rage when I see the beautiful citrus people find at Costco or HD out in CA. My advice with your logees trees is too bare root. Mine were being strangled by their own roots because they’re kept in small pots for so long. I didn’t realize when I initially reported because I didn’t bare root

Living in an HLB/ACP quarantine state I have limited experience buying from online citrus supplier, though I did buy my CaraCara Orange tree from one (Lemontreecitrus) a couple of years ago when I could not find one for sale locally. Lemon Tree Citrus seems to be based in south Georgia, and ships direct from various citrus nurseries, both in and out of the HLB/ACP quarantine states, my particular tree came from Paul Becnel nursery, which from what I can find online appears to be a small citrus nursery likely related to the large Saxon Becnel citrus nursery operation (google shows the address as about 1/2 mile apart just outside New Orleans). Overall I have been happy with the tree, though the size when it arrived was a bit smaller than I would have liked, perhaps 28 inches tall, and the roots were small for the pot it was in. At the time I contacted Lemontreecitrus and was told the plants had just recently been repotted into the current size pots. That was a bit over 2 years, ago, and the tree is now over 7 ft tall, growing in ground.

This was coffee plant I got. It is actually getting new leaves now so not as bad.

Dave, more pictures just posted. They were all grafted except coffee plant.

Logees is up north, so just doesn't have the heat, long growing season, humidity and sun like growers in the south, even though they grow in a greenhouse. Those actually don't look too bad for Logees!

I've seen better beginner trees, but they don't look all that bad.

Wow. Your Logee's coffee was fuller than mine when I got mine last year!

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It's a bit bigger this year and enjoying being the "understory" of all sorts of stuff outside. lol

Jenny, yeah mine does look better lol. I have it in the house and it is doing well in minimal light. I put it outside once and it got sun burned. I think it will be a house plant for now.

Joe - if you have some other plants outside to put it under, that is where it should go - i.e., literally "under" some overhanging plant. I know they show commercial ones out in full sun but that was apparently for ease of harvesting. Their natural habitat is high altitude cool misty and many ecologically-knowledgeable growers are now planting them under and/or in between banana trees so the big banana leaves partially shade the coffees. But if you do keep it in the house, make sure you keep it misted and/or give it some type of humidity, otherwise the leaf edges will start browning and leaves will drop because it wants to be in a rain forest!

I had one for about 8 years (almost 15 years ago) before it got hit with mealies and finally bit the dust. But here it was around then (I had originally bought it from Home Depot as a plant even smaller than the Logee's one) -

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Which size coffee did you order? I got one from Logee's earlier this year and was super annoyed when it came and it was six tiny seedlings in a pot. I carefully extricated them and the two biggest ones have grown a lot since, but still, I hated that. Especially when I paid like $15 for it and then saw that Home Depot had the same thing for $3.

HI Joe! This is a picture of a Pixie Mandarin I ordered from Four Winds. I paid $30 for. It is about 32 inches tall. I also ordered 2 Santa Teresa Feminello lemons and an Oro Blanco grapefruit tree.

I only took a picture of the one lemon tree(on the left) and my Oro Blanco grapefruit tree. These trees were $20/each. The only downside for me is that I live in New York State so shipping was $75 but, the quality of the trees is 10x's better than Logees!

I no longer have any plants or trees I received from Logees. They all died from either insect infestations or poor root systems. Logees in my opinion is very high priced, and the trees/plants your receive are very small.

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Looking at the price I paid, I think my coffee must have been the 4" pot.

Jenny, I ordered the 4 inch coffee arabica tree as well from logees.

i think they’re fine. I’d rather spend $ on a little tree and watch it grow than spend money on shipping a larger specimen. Little ones are easier to pack/protect in Transit.

The one thing about Logee's is that they usually advertised themselves more for having "hard-to-find plants", which when you are looking for something exotic, you are often willing to go with smaller and more $$$ - at least as long as the plant is healthy. I know a bunch of years ago, I was able to find some of the more uncommon hoyas there that weren't available at HD or local nurseries.

Joe okay cool. Here is my coffee today (after rain this morning and in the middle of a plant mass... lol). I would have had it a year next month and have it in an 8" pot at the edge of the "understory" of some of my other tropicals. These are all sitting on a 3 level shelf -

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It is sortof tucked under the foliage of a variegated tropical hibiscus ("Snow Queen") and a stephanotis and is next to a jasmine sambac to the left and a lemongrass & a sago palm to the right, so it doesn't get a full blast of overhead sun. That whole fence line is on the east side of the patio facing W and WNW and gets a few hours of afternoon sun before the house blocks it.

I think the only "standards" are for logs and Christmas trees; in the case of citrus trees, you still have to rely on the reputation of the grower/vendor.

I order most of my trees from Four Winds Growers and yes, you would have gotten a better specimen if you purchased a premium level. Entry level trees are only 1 year olds. If you buy a premium, it will have a nicely branched canopy and probably be ready to bear fruit. The one you pictured would have been considered an entry level from them.

I was just at McKenzie Farms last Wednesday and they were much larger than what you received.

When purchasing trees online, one must pay attention to the age and pot size in the description. Your tree looks like a one year old because of the small amount of branching. Brite Leaf and Lemon Tree Citrus sell young trees at premium prices in my opinion.

If there is a variety I want, I go either to Four Winds Growers or Harris Citrus Nursery. You get more bang for the buck. The problem with FWG is the cost of shipping or if they are out of stock, you must wait. Harris sells top heavy trees on spindly trunks so they have to be staked for about 4-6 months after arrival. Harris also has a tendency to have a bend in their trees where the canopy meets the trunk.

I decided to order a kumquat from Four Winds and This is what it looks like. It is definitely fuller than the Logee’s tree and came in a deeper pot. It was packaged better too. It was also about $10 cheaper. Let’s see if I can keep it alive.

I decided to order a kumquat from Four Winds and This is what it looks like. It is definitely fuller than the Logee’s tree and came in a deeper pot. It was packaged better too. It was also about $10 cheaper. Let’s see if I can keep it alive.

I shop at the local Lowes for citrus too and your pictured tree puts them to shame. Nice tree. Is this a premium?

Denise, yeah I was pleasantly surprised to pull this out of the box. It is not even a premium. It is what they call entry and it was only $22. Of course I paid as much in shipping (CA to PA) but it was worth it. I will be ordering more from them.

The shape of that plant looks great!

Joe, Four Winds used to have 3 sizes of plants to choose from: entry, choice and premium. I think what you received was the choice level if I had to catagorize it. Lucky you in getting such nice trees at a great price. I pay $35 at Lowes for a similar tree. Earlier this year I purchased an entry level New Zealand Lemonade tree with only 2 branches and would have been very sad looking if sitting next to yours. lol. On the labels that came with your trees, does it say semi-dwarf in the upper left hand corner? I am curious if they have converted all their rootstock to semi dwarf.

Denise, it says “the original dwarf since 1950.” On the back it says “grafted on selected dwarfing rootstocks”.

Joe, thank you for showing the label. I have purchased trees from FWG for the past 2 years and many have said semi-dwarf which is what I didn't want, but oh well. lol. I wonder why the nursery is shipping some dwarf and some semi-dwarf root stocks on their trees.

Denis, did you order kumquats that were on semi-dwarf or other citrus? Maybe they just do the kumquats on dwarf root stock.

No kumquats, but have ordered other trees last year. My Minneola and Gold Nugget didn't have pictured tags so I have no idea what size they are. My New Zealand Lemonade and Smith Red orange are semi dwarf. My Valencias and Eureka are dwarf. FWG trees are not consistent with their rootstock.

Denise - just to confirm what you wrote about changing rootstock - my FW Eureka (bought 2016) had a tag that said it was "Semi-Dwarf" (and based on a rootstock shoot it appears to be on Cuban Shaddock) and both my Tango and variegated pink lemon both say "True Dwarf". Haven't seen any rootstock suckers on the variegated lemon but I think the Tango is on some type of trifolate.

jenny, I purchased my Eureka in April 2018. Very interesting. I can't believe they go back and forth between different rootstocks. I wonder if the tags mean anything at all other than identifying the variety.

Edit: It does say at the bottom "Height: 10-15' at maturity." Doesn't sound dwarf to me. lol.

I just looked at my semi dwarf NZL ID tag and it says: "Height: 10-15' at maturity"

My semi dwarf Smith Red says 10-15' at maturity. The Valencia dwarf "8-12' at maturity."

Denise - just checked my tags and the Eureka ("Semi-Dwarf") says " 10' - 15' at maturity". The Tango ("True Dwarf") says " 8' - 10' " and the Variegated Pink Lemon ("True Dwarf") says " 8' - 12' ".

Interesting indeed!! I bought the Variegated Pink Lemon at the same time (2016) as its Eureka cousin but bought the Tango last summer (2017).

Could be whoever their propagators are, selects whatever rootstock is known to be compatible and available in enough quantities (at the cheapest cost) at the time they are grafting, and that may vary from year to year or within a year. Not sure if they start their own seedlings for rootstock or get them wholesale from other sources.

I know I've watched many of their youtube videos a few times and their flyovers of the nursery show acres and acres of trees under netting/shade cloth.

I sent an email inquiring so I will have to be patient for at least a week because that is about how long it took for customer service to answer past emails if at all.

Again, their website says dwarf and that is not what is being shipped out. Kendra said the website will be changed early 2018 to reflect changes to their root stock, but it still isn't done.

With the holiday in the middle of the week, you'll have to add a few more days to that week too! lol